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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    But to what degree? What is its net effect on the climate? At this time, that is impossible to accurately quantify because we have absolutely no idea how strong or weak other climate signals such as solar, geothermal, oceanic, magnetic, cosmic, etc. are as it concerns the overall state of the climate.
    It's above the pay grades of everyone on debatepolitics to try to quantify (except a few I suppose, but thats the exception rather then the rule). I know I certainly cannot even attempt to quantify the net effect, but I can point out there is not necessarily a need to quantify the net shift/change. My reasoning is that if this effect is taking place, then other variables would have to also change in relation to this change to keep the climate constant as well. But, due to the unreasonable chance of that happening, the only remaining possibility is a very slow (to humans) climate change, over the course of hundreds of years. Eventually, the ocean might rise a few inches, and weather will become more erratic, but there will be no change beyond that. In the super-long term, however, we cannot hope to even hypothesize what might happen because of all the different variables you listed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't see how it's any different. You're making the exact same arguments and using the exact same flawed reasoning. By the way, I'm glad you admit that the IPCC is not worth referencing.
    It is different because I have no sources, save my environmental science textbook, and my view is rather moderate. And a bit pessimistic as well, I admit. And the only reason I find the IPCC not worth referencing is because people exaggerate the mistakes it has made, therefore it is not credible because people wouldn't believe it, rather then it is truly at fault.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    Global warming is clearly a myth. It's been a fun ride, but the ClimateGate data is out and truth is in.

    Let's look at some global warming facts.


    Professor Phil Jones admitted these facts. It's hard to fathom how people can still believe in this man-made hoax called anthropogenic global warming.
    Okay...go back about 50 pages, and read the explanations I provided about how the greenhouse effect is going to become more apparent due to the release of paleocarbons. If you can't find it, or don't want to go back and look for it, take my word that climate is going to change because of CO2 emissions, albeit very slowly.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    If this thread lasts too much longer it is agoing to cause global warming from the gas from the BS

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Arctic melt to cost up to $24 trillion by 2050: report
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    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - "Arctic ice melting could cost global agriculture, real estate and insurance anywhere from $2.4 trillion to $24 trillion by 2050 in damage from rising sea levels, floods and heat waves, according to a report released on Friday.

    "Everybody around the world is going to bear these costs," said Eban Goodstein, a resource economist at Bard College in New York state who co-authored the report, called "Arctic Treasure, Global Assets Melting Away."

    He said the report, reviewed by more than a dozen scientists and economists and funded by the Pew Environment Group, an arm of the Pew Charitable Trusts, provides a first attempt to monetize the cost of the loss of one of the world's great weather makers.

    "The Arctic is the planet's air conditioner and it's starting to break down," he said.

    The loss of Arctic Sea ice and snow cover is already costing the world about $61 billion to $371 billion annually from costs associated with heat waves, flooding and other factors, the report said.

    The losses could grow as a warmer Arctic unlocks vast stores of methane in the permafrost. The gas has about 21 times the global warming impact of carbon dioxide.

    Melting of Arctic sea ice is already triggering a feedback of more warming as dark water revealed by the receding ice absorbs more of the sun's energy, he said. That could lead to more melting of glaciers on land and raise global sea levels."

    Arctic melt to cost up to $24 trillion by 2050: report | Reuters
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    I stopped reading your inane copy and paste a long time ago.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We know it is happening much quicker than the models predicted and "that it has impacts on everything else that goes on in this system":

    "The research project involved more than 370 scientists from 27 countries who collectively spent 15 months, starting in June 2007, aboard a research vessel above the Arctic Circle. It marked the first time a ship has stayed mobile in Canada's high Arctic for an entire winter.

    "(Climate change) is happening much faster than our most pessimistic models expected," said David Barber, a professor at the University of Manitoba and the study's lead investigator, at a news conference in Winnipeg.

    Models predicted only a few years ago that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by the year 2100, but the increasing pace of climate change now suggests it could happen between 2013 and 2030, Barber said."

    "The Arctic is considered a type of early-warning system of climate change for the rest of the world.

    "We know we're losing sea ice -- the world is all aware of that," Barber said. "What you're not aware of is that it has impacts on everything else that goes on in this system."

    The loss of the sea ice is taking away areas for the region's mammals to reproduce, find food and elude predators, said Steve Ferguson, a scientist with the Canadian government who took part in the study."

    Arctic climate changing faster than expected | Reuters
    OOPS. I take it you didn't hear that the Greenpeace leader admitted his organization put out fake global warming data, and that the IPCC "...exaggerated information when it claimed that Arctic ice would disappear completely by 2030 [...] was hundreds of years off..."

    Back to the drawing board.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    OOPS. I take it you didn't hear that the Greenpeace leader admitted his organization put out fake global warming data, and that the IPCC "...exaggerated information when it claimed that Arctic ice would disappear completely by 2030 [...] was hundreds of years off..."

    Back to the drawing board.

    What does that have to do with the study I referenced?

    "Models predicted only a few years ago that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by the year 2100, but the increasing pace of climate change now suggests it could happen between 2013 and 2030, Barber said."
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What does that have to do with the study I referenced?

    "Models predicted only a few years ago that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by the year 2100, but the increasing pace of climate change now suggests it could happen between 2013 and 2030, Barber said."
    It has everything to do with the study you referenced. A few years ago, the models that were predicting doom by 2030, that the Arctic glaciers would be gone by then, have recently been admitted by the "scientists" who made the claim as nothing more than exaggerated lies. They admitted that the notion that the Arctic would be ice free by 2030 was "...hundreds of years off."

    What you posted is nothing more than a lie based on junk science.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Politics101 View Post
    It has everything to do with the study you referenced. A few years ago, the models that were predicting doom by 2030, that the Arctic glaciers would be gone by then, have recently been admitted by the "scientists" who made the claim as nothing more than exaggerated lies. They admitted that the notion that the Arctic would be ice free by 2030 was "...hundreds of years off."

    What you posted is nothing more than a lie based on junk science.
    This is what you call junk science???

    "The research project involved more than 370 scientists from 27 countries who collectively spent 15 months, starting in June 2007, aboard a research vessel above the Arctic Circle. It marked the first time a ship has stayed mobile in Canada's high Arctic for an entire winter."

    Still, if you want to go with the opinion of a blogger, have at it man.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Global warming in Bolivia. The glaciers are melting.

    As Glaciers Melt, Bolivia Fights for the Good Life

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