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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice try but not true. When you have nothing you attack others.


    The world has never seen such freezing heat - Telegraph


    Climate researchers have discovered that NASA researchers improperly manipulated data in order to claim 2005 as "THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD.” KUSI-TV meteorologist, Weather Channel founder, and iconic weatherman John Coleman will present these findings in a one-hour special airing on KUSI-TV on Jan.14 at 9 p.m. A related report will be made available on the Internet at 6 p.m. EST on January 14th at KUSI - News, Weather and Sports - San Diego, CA.

    In a new report, computer expert E. Michael Smith and Certified Consulting Meteorologist Joseph D’Aleo discovered extensive manipulation of the temperature data by the U.S. Government's two primary climate centers: the National Climate Data Center (NCDC) in Ashville, North Carolina and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) at Columbia University in New York City. Smith and D’Aleo accuse these centers of manipulating temperature data to give the appearance of warmer temperatures than actually occurred by trimming the number and location of weather observation stations. The report is available online at http://icecap.us/images/uploads/NOAA...limategate.pdf.

    The report reveals that there were no actual temperatures left in the computer database when NASA/NCDC proclaimed 2005 as "THE WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD.” The NCDC deleted actual temperatures at thousands of locations throughout the world as it changed to a system of global grid points, each of which is determined by averaging the temperatures of two or more adjacent weather observation stations. So the NCDC grid map contains only averaged, not real temperatures, giving rise to significant doubt that the result is a valid representation of Earth temperatures.

    The number of actual weather observation points used as a starting point for world average temperatures was reduced from about 6,000 in the 1970s to about 1,000 now. “That leaves much of the world unaccounted for,” says D'Aleo.

    The NCDC data are regularly used by the National Weather Service to declare a given month or year as setting a record for warmth. Such pronouncements are typically made in support of the global warming alarmism agenda. Researchers who support the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) also regularly use the NASA/NCDC data, including researchers associated with the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia that is now at the center of the “Climategate” controversy.

    Hot Air Blog Archive Hottest October on record … was really a September


    GISS’s computerised temperature maps seemed to show readings across a large part of Russia had been up to 10 degrees higher than normal. But when expert readers of the two leading warming-sceptic blogs, Watts Up With That and Climate Audit, began detailed analysis of the GISS data they made an astonishing discovery. The reason for the freak figures was that scores of temperature records from Russia and elsewhere were not based on October readings at all. Figures from the previous month had simply been carried over and repeated two months running.

    The error was so glaring that when it was reported on the two blogs – run by the US meteorologist Anthony Watts and Steve McIntyre, the Canadian computer analyst who won fame for his expert debunking of the notorious “hockey stick” graph – GISS began hastily revising its figures. This only made the confusion worse because, to compensate for the lowered temperatures in Russia, GISS claimed to have discovered a new “hotspot” in the Arctic – in a month when satellite images were showing Arctic sea-ice recovering so fast from its summer melt that three weeks ago it was 30 per cent more extensive than at the same time last year.
    Lets look at your sources...blog, blog, local weather website, and picture.

    Lets look at the sources listed against you. NASA, NOAA, IPCC (if I recall correctly), various scientific journals.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    The "canary in the coal mine" at increased risk ~

    WASHINGTON — "Changes in the global climate are imposing additional stress on hundreds of species of migratory birds in the United States that are already threatened by other environmental factors, according to a new Interior Department report."

    "The report said that oceanic and shore birds are among the most vulnerable to climate change because of rapidly changing marine ecosystems and rising sea levels.

    The conclusions are the result of a collaboration of federal and state wildlife agencies, universities and conservation groups.

    “Birds are excellent indicators of the health of our environment, and right now they are telling us an important story about climate change,” said Kenneth Rosenberg, director of conservation ccience at Cornell University’s Lab of Ornithology. “Many species of conservation concern will face heightened threats, giving us an increased sense of urgency to protect and conserve vital bird habitat.”
    Climate Change Threatens Migratory Birds, Report Says - NYTimes.com
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The "canary in the coal mine" at increased risk ~

    WASHINGTON — "Changes in the global climate are imposing additional stress on hundreds of species of migratory birds in the United States that are already threatened by other environmental factors, according to a new Interior Department report."

    "The report said that oceanic and shore birds are among the most vulnerable to climate change because of rapidly changing marine ecosystems and rising sea levels.

    The conclusions are the result of a collaboration of federal and state wildlife agencies, universities and conservation groups.

    “Birds are excellent indicators of the health of our environment, and right now they are telling us an important story about climate change,” said Kenneth Rosenberg, director of conservation science at Cornell University’s Lab of Ornithology. “Many species of conservation concern will face heightened threats, giving us an increased sense of urgency to protect and conserve vital bird habitat.”
    Climate Change Threatens Migratory Birds, Report Says - NYTimes.com
    This seems like stating the obvious to me.

    The climate is changing, and such changes effect the animals living in said climate = obvious.

    What was the point of posting this info?

    Not that it wasn't interesting.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Makes me wonder if the GW wackos know the truth when their commercials are lies and scare tactics. If they would speak truth and stick to facts they might have credibility. The more they lie the more they are seen as not credible and corrupt scientists.


    Government rebuked over global warming nursery rhyme adverts - Telegraph

    The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) ruled that the adverts – which were based on the children's poems Jack and Jill and Rub-A-Dub-Dub – made exaggerated claims about the threat to Britain from global warming.

    In definitely asserting that climate change would cause flooding and drought the adverts went beyond mainstream scientific consensus, the watchdog said.

    It noted that predictions about the potential global impact of global warming made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "involved uncertainties" that the adverts failed to reflect.

    The two posters created on behalf of the Department of Energy and Climate Change juxtaposed adapted extracts from the nursery rhymes with prose warnings about the dangers of global warning.

    One began: “Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. There was none as extreme weather due to climate change had caused a drought.” Beneath was written: “Extreme weather conditions such as flooding, heat waves and storms will become more frequent and intense.”

    The second advert read: "Rub a dub dub, three men in a tub — a necessary course of action due to flash flooding caused by climate change.” It was captioned: “Climate change is happening. Temperature and sea levels are rising. Extreme weather events such as storms, floods and heat waves will become more frequent and intense. If we carry on at this rate, life in 25 years could be very different.”

    Upholding complaints from members of the public, the ASA said that in both instances the text accompanying the rhymes should have been couched in softer language.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Makes me wonder if the GW wackos know the truth when their commercials are lies and scare tactics. If they would speak truth and stick to facts they might have credibility. The more they lie the more they are seen as not credible and corrupt scientists.


    Government rebuked over global warming nursery rhyme adverts - Telegraph

    The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) ruled that the adverts – which were based on the children's poems Jack and Jill and Rub-A-Dub-Dub – made exaggerated claims about the threat to Britain from global warming.

    In definitely asserting that climate change would cause flooding and drought the adverts went beyond mainstream scientific consensus, the watchdog said.

    It noted that predictions about the potential global impact of global warming made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "involved uncertainties" that the adverts failed to reflect.

    The two posters created on behalf of the Department of Energy and Climate Change juxtaposed adapted extracts from the nursery rhymes with prose warnings about the dangers of global warning.

    One began: “Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. There was none as extreme weather due to climate change had caused a drought.” Beneath was written: “Extreme weather conditions such as flooding, heat waves and storms will become more frequent and intense.”

    The second advert read: "Rub a dub dub, three men in a tub — a necessary course of action due to flash flooding caused by climate change.” It was captioned: “Climate change is happening. Temperature and sea levels are rising. Extreme weather events such as storms, floods and heat waves will become more frequent and intense. If we carry on at this rate, life in 25 years could be very different.”

    Upholding complaints from members of the public, the ASA said that in both instances the text accompanying the rhymes should have been couched in softer language.
    Those are the crappiest rhymes ever...

    But seriously, you talk as if we on debatepolitics.com are arguing the extreme crap in your source. Not in the 93 pages or whatever of this thread has anyone claimed we would have such extreme climate change. If you manage to in fact find someone who actually does say that climate change that extreme will happen in a timeline of 10 years, I'm not supporting them either.

    Now stop wasting time. We've made our points, and you seem to be ignoring them, and fighting the foe you want to fight, rather then what you are confronted with.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Those are the crappiest rhymes ever...

    But seriously, you talk as if we on debatepolitics.com are arguing the extreme crap in your source. Not in the 93 pages or whatever of this thread has anyone claimed we would have such extreme climate change. If you manage to in fact find someone who actually does say that climate change that extreme will happen in a timeline of 10 years, I'm not supporting them either.

    Now stop wasting time. We've made our points, and you seem to be ignoring them, and fighting the foe you want to fight, rather then what you are confronted with.
    Does not matter when those in authority do it including Jones it makes the argument of GW not credible.

    Can we believe anything of GW when they are putting forth corruption and lies?

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Does not matter when those in authority do it including Jones it makes the argument of GW not credible.

    Can we believe anything of GW when they are putting forth corruption and lies?
    Yes, because the people who spout this crap are the only people in the entire world with the ability to think on their own. Seriously, you should just go away now, you've wasted enough time with your delusions.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    This seems like stating the obvious to me.

    The climate is changing, and such changes effect the animals living in said climate = obvious.
    If you will review back just a couple of pages in this thread, you will see it is not obvious to everyone.

    What was the point of posting this info?
    I thought everyone was aware of the purpose of the canary in the coal mine:

    "The classic example of animals serving as sentinels is the canary in the coal mine. Well into the 20th century, coal miners in the United Kingdom and the United States brought canaries into coal mines as an early-warning signal for toxic gases including methane and carbon monoxide. The birds, being more sensitive, would become sick before the miners, who would then have a chance to escape or put on protective respirators."
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sentinels]Animal sentinels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    However, it remains to be seen if we will be smart enough to heed nature's warning in addition to the warning by the scientific consensus.


    Not that it wasn't interesting.
    That was the second reason for posting it.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    It seems to be a battle of sources over a battle of science. AGW is clearly flawed, even some of the people working for government paid for organizations admit that. Honestly, do you think NASA and other organizations would give true and accurate climate reports? Obama is about to shell into NASA millions in funding to find out more about global warming and how we cause it. Do you think they would give up that money and tell the truth? It's essentially bribing science. Many times the popular belief was wrong. Forever people believed in spontaneous generation, and if you doubted you were an unscientific fool. Scientists also widely believed that protein was the molecule for genetic inheritance... We should learn from history.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It seems to be a battle of sources over a battle of science. AGW is clearly flawed, even some of the people working for government paid for organizations admit that. Honestly, do you think NASA and other organizations would give true and accurate climate reports? Obama is about to shell into NASA millions in funding to find out more about global warming and how we cause it. Do you think they would give up that money and tell the truth? It's essentially bribing science. Many times the popular belief was wrong. Forever people believed in spontaneous generation, and if you doubted you were an unscientific fool. Scientists also widely believed that protein was the molecule for genetic inheritance... We should learn from history.
    If you believe ACC isn't occurring, address the science and logic presented.

    Paleocarbons, in the form of CO2, have been released. This net increase in carbon in the atmosphere results in increased evaporation, which leads to a positive feedback loop.
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