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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Warm weather continues to keep Vancouver organizers scrambling | PennLive.com


    OMG!!!111!!!! It are teh apocalypse!!!!1111!! Global warming be proven!!!!111!!!



    This is essentially what the "lookit all dis snow" argument boils down to, only in reverse.
    When I lived down here in the Carolinas 3-4 years ago, the water levels were really low. It was a sure-fire sign of global warming/climate change. Now with a very wet year this year and parts of last year, and increased snow amounts, the levels are back to whatever they consider normal or very close to it. And the "extreme"(I lightly mock this because there has not been any real extreme weather here from my perspective) percipitation is considered to be a part of climate change too.

    I pretty much grew up around farmers for a good part of my youth. Farmers bitched about the weather no matter what it did. Sunny day outside, they need the rain. If its raining, they can't get work done. Not enough snow, they bitch about how it will affect their crops, too much snow and they bitch about late planting seasons. This line of thinking seems to be prevalent in AGW discussions.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    When I lived down here in the Carolinas 3-4 years ago, the water levels were really low. It was a sure-fire sign of global warming/climate change. Now with a very wet year this year and parts of last year, and increased snow amounts, the levels are back to whatever they consider normal or very close to it. And the "extreme"(I lightly mock this because there has not been any real extreme weather here from my perspective) percipitation is considered to be a part of climate change too.

    I pretty much grew up around farmers for a good part of my youth. Farmers bitched about the weather no matter what it did. Sunny day outside, they need the rain. If its raining, they can't get work done. Not enough snow, they bitch about how it will affect their crops, too much snow and they bitch about late planting seasons. This line of thinking seems to be prevalent in AGW discussions.
    Both sides seem to only look at the data that supports their side and ignore the other data entirely.

    In reality, Vancouver's warm whether doesn't prove Global warming any more than Washington's snow disproves it.

    Generally, I'm in favor of a separation of Science and State because politicians have not evolved enough (or been intelligently designed enough) to really comprehend scientific data. I don't care which side of the debate they are on, it always gets twisted to fit an agenda of some sort.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Real or not real, the way global warming was presented to the world created massive political divisions. Ya really can't blame anybody for how they feel about this. The topic is in the hands of amateurs.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    It depends on what time of the year it is on whether or not I believe in global warming. I tend to be a denier Dec.- Feb, on the fence Mar-May, a believer June-Aug, and on the fence again Sept-Oct. There are exceptions on occasion, but overall this seems to be the trend for me.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Real or not real, the way global warming was presented to the world created massive political divisions. Ya really can't blame anybody for how they feel about this. The topic is in the hands of amateurs.
    No, it is just promoted and publicized by amateurs.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    No.

    Since the question is so poorly worded it can't be answered simply.

    Is the theory of anthropogenic global warming bull****?

    Yes, of course.

    Is the planet warming as part of some natural cycle?

    Kinda depends on what era you're using as a baseline, doesn't it? Compared to 1998, no, compared to 1776, yes. Compared to 1200 AD, no. Compared to 30,000 BC, yes.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    The general balance of scientific opinion is in favour of global warming being real (although not meaning that everywhere will get warmer) and that human activity does contribute to it to some extent. If this is true then a lot of work needs to be done to reduce the production of greenhouse gases and reduce the use of fossil fuels.

    If by any chance climate change is NOT created or exacerbated by human activity then the reduction of the use of fossil fuels will not have damaged the climate in any way, it will have created a more balanced way of securing fuels for use domestically and industrially. In itself this would be a positive development. It would reduce our dependency on some less than savoury regimes (Saudi, Russia, Iran) and it would extend the life of the fossil resources that remain underground.

    I don't understand the antagonism towards developing alternatives to fossil fuels and towards reducing our dependence on the internal combustion engine... unless this antagonism is being driven by the oil and gas industry and the motor industry. Am I being paranoid, or am I missing some terrible consequences that these developments might bring?
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Yes, if you are referring to the AGW hysteria.

    The earth has been cooling for the last 4+ billion years, but it certainly has not been a smooth or uniform trip. There was no permanent ice cap anywhere until one formed in the Antarctic about 15 million years ago (link). Ice ages occur only in the northern hemisphere (too much open water in the south) and began about 3.5 million years ago, repeating every 40-50 thousand years with no permanent northern ice cap during the warm intervals.

    Over the last 900,000 years the earth has gone through ten ice ages spaced at about 90,000 years, which can be correlated to astronomical cycles of the axial tilt, precession, and changes in the eccentricity of the earth's orbit; these cycles have been known since the mid-nineteenth century, and are all explainable by the gravitational effect of other planets. On this cycle, we hit the "first day of summer" about 12,000 years ago, and we are now heading into the next ice age; continuing the "annual" analogy, where summer starts in June but the real hot period comes in late July and August, we can reasonably expect a few more thousand years before the ice starts to advance again and makes the northern latitudes uninhabitable.

    On a shorter time scale: there was a warm period in the first few centuries BC when the Norse folk were able to discover and colonize Iceland, followed by a few centuries of cold weather during the period we know as the Dark Ages, followed by a few centuries of Medieval Warm Period when the Norse discovered and colonized Greenland a thousand years ago, followed by a few centuries of Little Ice Age which started to lift in the early nineteenth century.

    AGW mythology is based on guesswork about temperatures and climate when the "researchers" go back more than a hundred years or so, and much of the estimated temperature data is based on tree rings which are at least as dependent on moisture as temperature. (See, for example, the current concerns about not enough moisture in Vancouver while too much moisture on the East Coast).

    The AGW mythology that humans caused the warming via the industrial age which began around 1800 uses a time span that is far too short; it's a lot like looking at the last couple of months and concluding "OMG!! If we don't do something right now, New York will be under a mile of ice by June of 2013!!!" - completely ignoring the fact that this happens every winter, and resolves itself every summer.

    And the AGW mythology relies much too heavily on computer models which use questionable assumptions on the suspect data. These models have (so far) been total failures at predicting 20th century climate from 19th century data, or 21st century climate from 20th century data; it's all hypothetical guesswork with none of the successful predictions which characterize acceptable scientific theories.

    I have to admit, though, that AlGore and his acolytes have been extremely successful pitchmen for their Chicken Little theories; they've made a bundle on their doom and gloom nonsense.
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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Given that the issue with global warming is that scientists are alarmed that the global average temperature might raise 1 or 2 degrees celsius over 100 years, a little snow is not enough to prove or disprove anything.
    Then again, warmer climates are more beneficial, and who elected the IPCC to say that 1950 was the Best Year Ever, since the climate was warmer in the Medieval Warming Period, and so was the productivity of the land.

    Oh, and yeah, that was a more than a degree warmer than the present era.

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    Re: Is Global Warming a myth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Yes, if you are referring to the AGW hysteria.

    The earth has been cooling for the last 4+ billion years, but it certainly has not been a smooth or uniform trip. There was no permanent ice cap anywhere until one formed in the Antarctic about 15 million years ago
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth]Snowball Earth[/ame] says otherwise.

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