View Poll Results: Is Social Justice legitimate?

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  • Yes, for equality of opportunity

    13 46.43%
  • Yes, for equality of outcome

    0 0%
  • Yes, for wealth redistribution

    4 14.29%
  • Yes, to reduce inequality

    6 21.43%
  • No, wealth redistribution is bad

    12 42.86%
  • No, it extends the utilitarianism and social contracts in un-useful ways

    10 35.71%
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    4 14.29%
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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i believe that's equal opportunity. not quotas, necessarily, but opportunity.
    Nope, AA is completely based on quotas. The EEOC(Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) is about anti-discrimination law enforcement. AA states that you must have representation of groups based on mandated ratios, regardless of merit, whereas the EEOC might recieve a complaint that a person was denied employment based on factors such as race, sex, age, marital status.....etc. etc.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That is because a Libertarian is like the angry 15 year old in the room who never has any ideas of his own but thinks everyone's ideas are ****ty. They're teens pretending to be grown ups and in some cases grown ups who have yet to realize they're not teens anymore. I guess it's just easier to talk a big game when you don't have any significant amount of constituents.
    A socialist telling someone else they don't have original ideas...

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope, AA is completely based on quotas. The EEOC(Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) is about anti-discrimination law enforcement.
    Except, of course, that when you have to have a certain number of a given race, it creates situations where you then must discrimintate against other people of a different race when choosing who to hire.

    Supporters of AA necessarily accept the premise that you cannot discriminate against minorities, but everyone else is fair game.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i believe that's equal opportunity. not quotas, necessarily, but opportunity.
    Equal opportunity? Is it equal opportunity when a Black or Hispanic gets an automatic 20 points on a Civil Service Exam?

    Is it equal opportunity when all the Blacks fail the test, so the results are thrown out the window?

    updated 2:36 p.m. PT, Mon., June 29, 2009
    WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court declared Monday that white firefighters in Connecticut were unfairly denied promotion because of their race, ruling against minorities in a major reverse discrimination case that could affect bosses and workers nationwide. The justices threw out a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor had endorsed as an appeals court judge.

    In its last session until September, the court's conservative majority prevailed in a 5-4 ruling that faulted New Haven and the courts that had upheld the city's discarding of results of an exam in which no African-Americans scored high enough to be promoted to lieutenant or captain.
    Supreme Court rules for white firefighters - Supreme Court- msnbc.com

    Yup, no quota there.
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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Except, of course, that when you have to have a certain number of a given race, it creates situations where you then must discrimintate against other people of a different race when choosing who to hire.

    Supporters of AA necessarily accept the premise that you cannot discriminate against minorities, but everyone else is fair game.
    Nailed it Goobie. My perspective is that no private business should be forced to hire based on quotas, but if you take government money in any form then you cannot discriminate according to those same criteria, private businesses should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want as long as they don't endanger public safety. The free market would ultimately pay bigots back in failure, something government fines can never accomplish in a larger degree than market forces. I think the EEOC is an overall good, but AA is a complete failure.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't know of any push for equality of outcome.
    I want to say that justification for the progressive tax system is done using this argument. Don't know if I can make that stick, however.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I want to say that justification for the progressive tax system is done using this argument. Don't know if I can make that stick, however.
    Actually, no... the progressive tax system is based on the idea that from each accroding to his means should be transfered to each according to his needs.

    After all, the "rich" dont "need" all that money, and the "poor" wont vote for anyone that doesn't offer hand-outs.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Actually, no... the progressive tax system is based on the idea that from each accroding to his means should be transfered to each according to his needs.

    After all, the "rich" dont "need" all that money, and the "poor" wont vote for anyone that doesn't offer hand-outs.
    Kinda of like the elderly, when it comes to Medicare. I totally get it.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I want to say that justification for the progressive tax system is done using this argument. Don't know if I can make that stick, however.
    There is no justification for the "progresssive" tax system. It violates the Fourteenth Amendment.

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    Re: Is Social Justice legitimate?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Kinda of like the elderly, when it comes to Medicare. I totally get it.
    Yes - the best way to get the elderly to vote for someone else is to mention that you want to do anything with medicare/SocSec that might be remotely related to a cut in benefits.

    For that matter, it need not be any sort of 'cut' at all - it only need be someting that your opponent can mis-charaterize as such.

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