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that's not self awareness. that's responding to a command.But a dog knows its name. Comes when called.
that's not self awareness. that's responding to a command.But a dog knows its name. Comes when called.
an infant isn't self aware, i don't think a dog is either. dogs don't make choices.
conditioned choices, maybe. their behavior is instinctual.Dogs certainly do make choices.
that's not self awareness. that's responding to a command.
ah...maybe. a dog cannot recognize himself in a mirror.Well, it seems to have a sense of self. I don't know if it is self-awareness.
conditioned choices, maybe. their behavior is instinctual.
Well, it seems to have a sense of self. I don't know if it is self-awareness.
a dog can't choose what to think, or when to think it.What choices do we make that aren't conditioned? We're conditioned from birth. Only we call it 'learning'. We also make choices based solely on instinct.
a dog can't choose what to think, or when to think it.
true, i can't know for certain. but i don't think a dog, on its own, can choose when to have dinner, or choose when to go to bed. they are driven by instinct.Just out of curiosity, You know this... how?
I'm not saying they can or cannot. What I am saying that until I'm inside a dog's head, I'm really never gonna know. And I'm curious how others are able to make such statements without having been inside the brain of the animal of which they speak.
And, you stated they cannot make choices, THAT is what I was disputing. They most certainly can, and do.
true, i can't know for certain. but i don't think a dog, on its own, can choose when to have dinner, or choose when to go to bed. they are driven by instinct.
Ok, Self-awareness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia tells me dogs are not self-aware.
Humans are not the only creatures who are self-aware. Thus far, there is evidence that bottlenose dolphins, some apes, and elephants have the capacity to be self-aware. Recent studies from the Goethe University Frankfurt show that magpies may also possess self-awareness. Common speculation suggests that some other animals are self-aware.
not mindless, of course, but not self aware. dogs don't make judgements, nor do they reason, at least i don't think they do.They eat when they are hungry, much like we do. They sleep when they are tired, much like we do. My parents dog chooses, all by himself, when to go to bed. He trots off to his kennel whenever he's ready. There's food down all day long, they decide when they want to eat and they eat when they are hungry. These actions are no different than our own at the very basic level.
Do they have the complex thinking that we do? No, I don't believe that dogs do. But I also do not believe them to be some mindless automatons. They make choices for themselves. Complex choices such as determining if the weather is too bad to actually make it up the hill? Doubtful. But choices nonetheless.
And you think they are part of your identity? Can identity change?
yes and yes
Well that is where we will have to disagree. I don't think identity changes. YOu are who you are. You don't become someone else.
I think attributes might change, but someone's identity is still their identity. There is an immutable part and a variable part.
I think the information pattern in my brain is the only thing that could logically make me me. It can't be genetics; if I have a twin or clone myself, we're still different people. It can't be individual cells or molecules in our body; those are dying and being replaced all the time. And I don't even think it's our sensory perception, as you could theoretically mimic my senses through a virtual reality device, but I think we would still be different people.
I think the information pattern in our brains is the only thing unique about us. That includes sensory input, but also includes our memories and thought processes.
Your right but that is all built from senses and genetics.
The information pattern is assembled from those things.
Isn't that incest?they do not have the same identity. i am married to an identical twin.
Isn't that incest?