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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This subject came up at my coffee clutch today so I was curious how the members of the forum felt about it?
    No. Government plans don't cover any other cosmetic surgery, so I don't see why this should be an exception.
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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Oh come on Groucho, this is a hypothetical paranoia thread. Just join in and see where it goes...
    Well, it just seems as silly to me as saying "Should government buy you all the
    candy you want?"

    No one is suggesting that they should. So I don't know why it's even under discussion.

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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This subject came up at my coffee clutch today so I was curious how the members of the forum felt about it?
    The coffee clutch is the little sleeve you put around your cup so to keep from burning your delicate fingertips. A coffee clatch, on the other hand, usually involves members of a different gender than yours gathering around a table to talk about anybody who isn't there.

    So, as you can see, I'm totally confused from the get go.

    As for the answer to your question, though, if it is Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Pat Robertson, David Duke, Pat Bucchanan, or Fred Phelps then yes, I think the government should pay for a sex change operation.
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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Well, it just seems as silly to me as saying "Should government buy you all the
    candy you want?"

    No one is suggesting that they should. So I don't know why it's even under discussion.
    Oh and there you go mentioning Obama's Candy Subsidies. God Groucho we were trying to keep that under wraps!
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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Why is this an issue? Is there anywhere that this is being done? Most health plans don't cover these things - -even private ones.
    Amazing how news like this hardly gets any attention. I guess leftist want their despicable deeds hidden.

    State's taxpayers paid for a sex change
    OLYMPIA -- At a time when lawmakers struggled to find money for health care for the state's most vulnerable people, Washington taxpayers footed the bill for a sex-change operation, penile implants, breast augmentation and ear piercings.

    In his most recent review of state Medicaid expenses, Auditor Brian Sonntag found thousands of questionable expenditures in the 2004 fiscal year. One in particular jumped off the page.

    Medicaid paid $9,549.92 to surgically transform a woman into a man.

    National News Briefs - San Francisco Workers Get Sex-Change Coverage - NYTimes.com
    BOSTON -- The U.S. Tax Court ruled Tuesday that a Massachusetts woman should be allowed to deduct the costs of her sex-change operation, a decision that could have broad implications for transgender people.

    Rhiannon O'Donnabhain, who was born a man, sued the Internal Revenue Service after the agency rejected a $5,000 deduction for approximately $25,000 in medical expenses associated with the sex-change surgery.



    http://www.thebostonchannel.com/mone...92/detail.html

    BOSTON -- The U.S. Tax Court ruled Tuesday that a Massachusetts woman should be allowed to deduct the costs of her sex-change operation, a decision that could have broad implications for transgender people.

    Rhiannon O'Donnabhain, who was born a man, sued the Internal Revenue Service after the agency rejected a $5,000 deduction for approximately $25,000 in medical expenses associated with the sex-change surgery.
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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    State's taxpayers paid for a sex change
    OLYMPIA -- At a time when lawmakers struggled to find money for health care for the state's most vulnerable people, Washington taxpayers footed the bill for a sex-change operation, penile implants, breast augmentation and ear piercings.

    In his most recent review of state Medicaid expenses, Auditor Brian Sonntag found thousands of questionable expenditures in the 2004 fiscal year. One in particular jumped off the page.

    Medicaid paid $9,549.92 to surgically transform a woman into a man.

    National News Briefs - San Francisco Workers Get Sex-Change Coverage - NYTimes.com
    BOSTON -- The U.S. Tax Court ruled Tuesday that a Massachusetts woman should be allowed to deduct the costs of her sex-change operation, a decision that could have broad implications for transgender people.

    Rhiannon O'Donnabhain, who was born a man, sued the Internal Revenue Service after the agency rejected a $5,000 deduction for approximately $25,000 in medical expenses associated with the sex-change surgery.



    Court: Sex Change Tax Deduction OK - Project Economy News Story - WCVB Boston

    BOSTON -- The U.S. Tax Court ruled Tuesday that a Massachusetts woman should be allowed to deduct the costs of her sex-change operation, a decision that could have broad implications for transgender people.

    Rhiannon O'Donnabhain, who was born a man, sued the Internal Revenue Service after the agency rejected a $5,000 deduction for approximately $25,000 in medical expenses associated with the sex-change surgery.
    Sweet. You really can get a tax deduction for a sex change. That's not the same as forcing the tax payers to pay for it, but hey I'm always in favor of a tax cut.
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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    No.

    Not ever.

    Someone feels they've been "born in the wrong body"? Then they need psychological help to learn that the body they were born in is the one they have until they die. Cutting them and stuffing them full of hormones to help them fulfill their delusion does not help them.

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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    State's taxpayers paid for a sex change
    OLYMPIA -- At a time when lawmakers struggled to find money for health care for the state's most vulnerable people, Washington taxpayers footed the bill for a sex-change operation, penile implants, breast augmentation and ear piercings.
    And the reason it's a news article is because these were done without government approval. I'm sure they're not the only things doctors have billed to taxpayers that shouldn't be billed.


    Hadn't heard about this one. But I guess if it was going to be anywhere, it would be San Francisco. Still, the issue is slightly different from what was asked: This is SF buying a health care plan for employees that would cover that (as well as other things).

    Not sure if that's the same thing as "government paying for it" -- unless the health care plan was tremendously more expensive than any other plan. In other words, if SF can work out a plan that doesn't cost the taxpayers any extra over what normally would be provided by a health care plan, then big deal.

    And even so, if the people in SF agree to provide this benefit to their workers, then let 'em. Isn't that what federalism and local control is all about?

    Once more, this is not the same as, for instance, someone on welfare getting a sex change operation for free, which is the intent of the original question as I understood it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    BOSTON -- The U.S. Tax Court ruled Tuesday that a Massachusetts woman should be allowed to deduct the costs of her sex-change operation, a decision that could have broad implications for transgender people.

    Rhiannon O'Donnabhain, who was born a man, sued the Internal Revenue Service after the agency rejected a $5,000 deduction for approximately $25,000 in medical expenses associated with the sex-change surgery.



    Court: Sex Change Tax Deduction OK - Project Economy News Story - WCVB Boston

    BOSTON -- The U.S. Tax Court ruled Tuesday that a Massachusetts woman should be allowed to deduct the costs of her sex-change operation, a decision that could have broad implications for transgender people.

    Rhiannon O'Donnabhain, who was born a man, sued the Internal Revenue Service after the agency rejected a $5,000 deduction for approximately $25,000 in medical expenses associated with the sex-change surgery.
    Deducting the cost of health care on your taxes is not the same as "government paying for it." Just because you deduct something doesn't mean you get reimbursed that amount. I deduct medical costs from my taxes and the government doesn't give it back to me; it just lowers my total income slightly for tax purposes.
    Last edited by Groucho; 02-10-10 at 09:38 PM.

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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The coffee clutch is the little sleeve you put around your cup so to keep from burning your delicate fingertips. A coffee clatch, on the other hand, usually involves members of a different gender than yours gathering around a table to talk about anybody who isn't there.

    So, as you can see, I'm totally confused from the get go.

    As for the answer to your question, though, if it is Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Pat Robertson, David Duke, Pat Bucchanan, or Fred Phelps then yes, I think the government should pay for a sex change operation.
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    Re: Should sex change operations be paid for by Gov. funds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    And the reason it's a news article is because these were done without government approval. I'm sure they're not the only things doctors have billed to taxpayers that shouldn't be billed.




    Hadn't heard about this one. But I guess if it was going to be anywhere, it would be San Francisco. Still, the issue is slightly different from what was asked: This is SF buying a health care plan for employees that would cover that (as well as other things).

    Not sure if that's the same thing as "government paying for it" -- unless the health care plan was tremendously more expensive than any other plan. In other words, if SF can work out a plan that doesn't cost the taxpayers any extra over what normally would be provided by a health care plan, then big deal.

    And even so, if the people in SF agree to provide this benefit to their workers, then let 'em. Isn't that what federalism and local control is all about?




    Deducting the cost of health care on your taxes is not the same as "government paying for it." Just because you deduct something doesn't mean you get reimbursed that amount. I deduct medical costs from my taxes and the government doesn't give it back to me; it just lowers my total income slightly for tax purposes.
    Isn't a tax deduction basically a coupon or rebate? So yes we are paying for it.
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