View Poll Results: Is science corrupt?

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  • Yes, science is very corrupt

    4 11.76%
  • Yes, science is somewhat corrupt

    5 14.71%
  • Yes, science is corrupt and bias

    0 0%
  • No, science cannot be corrupt because it deals with observation

    4 11.76%
  • No, science is not corrupt

    22 64.71%
  • All science is flawed

    3 8.82%
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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Not corrupted, co-opted
    cor⋅rupt  /kəˈrʌpt/ [kuh-ruhpt]

    1. guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.
    2. debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
    3. made inferior by errors or alterations, as a text.
    4. infected; tainted.
    5. decayed; putrid.


    Corrupt.

    Going to argue with the dictionary now?
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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    All science is flawed. Science cannot build accurate models of reality as it requires too many assumptions.
    Thats why those assumptions are called "Theories". And are subject to change.
    Those theories work. Try holding a cement block over your foot and letting it go if you doubt their effectiveness.

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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Thats why those assumptions are called "Theories". And are subject to change.
    Those theories work. Try holding a cement block over your foot and letting it go if you doubt their effectiveness.
    Science wouldn't be useful if theories didn't predict nature, but it is still flawed. This is why you can't calculate a complex flow network for chemical engineering, for instance. You have to have feedback networks to measure performance.

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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    There is a bias in Scientists, but not Science.

    Science is objective. Scientists try to be objective, but they eventually create dogmatic principles which they hold onto religiously.

    It's all complex.
    Very good points!

    Science is a lot like history...it simply 'is'. Its what people do with it that becomes corrupt.

    Anyone that has been around research scientists understand the drill. Have a theory or hypothesis, then set about to PROVE your theory or hypothesis so that you can be published and most importantly...funded. They have research assistants that are put in charge of creating studies and compiling data. In the University setting...those research assistants graduate degrees usually depend on the work they do for them. The research is invariably skewed to achieve a result.

    ALL scientists? nah...of course not. But a majority? you bet.

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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    "Scientists are corrupt" is a crude and brutal generalization of people by their choice of work.

    Some may be corrupt, others may not be corrupt, they are judged as individuals and not as a collective, a person who chooses to become a scientist does not become corrupt.
    Get a grip on yourself. We're talking about the poll. Why are you derailing discussion with your emotionalism?
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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    cor⋅rupt  /kəˈrʌpt/ [kuh-ruhpt]

    1. guilty of dishonest practices, as bribery; lacking integrity; crooked: a corrupt judge.
    2. debased in character; depraved; perverted; wicked; evil: a corrupt society.
    3. made inferior by errors or alterations, as a text.
    4. infected; tainted.
    5. decayed; putrid.


    Corrupt.

    Going to argue with the dictionary now?
    I didn't say it was incorrect, just not the most suitable. One co-opts items to fit an agenda or a scheme or plan usually only the "good bits" are used. That does not mean that the item itself is incorrect lacking in integrity or all of the above. Just the method in which its used is.
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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Get a grip on yourself. We're talking about the poll. Why are you derailing discussion with your emotionalism?


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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Science wouldn't be useful if theories didn't predict nature, but it is still flawed. This is why you can't calculate a complex flow network for chemical engineering, for instance. You have to have feedback networks to measure performance.
    It's not flawed. It's incomplete.

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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    It's not flawed. It's incomplete.
    semantics...

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    Re: Is science corrupt?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    semantics...
    No.
    Flawed means that there is something wrong with already understood science. Since we are talking about "Sience" as a field "flawed" is a bad description. Incomplete means that there is a lack of understanding as yet in many areas but doesn't ignore the areas of understanding we already have, nor does it throw out the methods of getting there.

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