View Poll Results: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

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  • No limits. However much money they can manage.

    17 31.48%
  • Up to 100 million dollars

    0 0%
  • up to 50 million dollars

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  • Up to 10 million dollars

    0 0%
  • Up to 1 million dollars

    0 0%
  • Up to 500K

    1 1.85%
  • Up to 100K

    0 0%
  • Up to 50K

    1 1.85%
  • Up to $200

    2 3.70%
  • NONE. All political campaigns should be grassroots with money ONLY from the people

    33 61.11%
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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's largely what I was going to suggest. I think we need to make the elections about issues, not expenditures. That means nobody can put a penny of their own money into their own campaign (except to donate the the general process that they will eventually get a slice of).

    1) As a consequence of their FCC licenses, all radio and television stations are required to run a certain number of commercials at various times of the day for *ALL* candidates in a particular race. These times are pre-defined so that all candidates will get primetime and off-primetime commercials. Absolutely no negative campaigning is allowed under any circumstances.
    2) We add "none of the above" to the ballot. If "none of the above" wins, a second election will be held 6 weeks later and none of the people on the previous ballot will be considered. Obviously, people didn't want any of them, why run them again?
    3) You can fundraise all you want, but you cannot fundraise for a particular candidate or party. All fundraising revenue is given to the general fund.

    There's probably more to add.
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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's largely what I was going to suggest. I think we need to make the elections about issues, not expenditures. That means nobody can put a penny of their own money into their own campaign (except to donate the the general process that they will eventually get a slice of).

    1) As a consequence of their FCC licenses, all radio and television stations are required to run a certain number of commercials at various times of the day for *ALL* candidates in a particular race. These times are pre-defined so that all candidates will get primetime and off-primetime commercials. Absolutely no negative campaigning is allowed under any circumstances.
    2) We add "none of the above" to the ballot. If "none of the above" wins, a second election will be held 6 weeks later and none of the people on the previous ballot will be considered. Obviously, people didn't want any of them, why run them again?
    3) You can fundraise all you want, but you cannot fundraise for a particular candidate or party. All fundraising revenue is given to the general fund.

    There's probably more to add.
    1) I disagree with the government deciding what is or isn't a negative ad. Let the people decide. If a candidate wants to waste some or all of his allotted ad time running negative ads, that should be his/her right. You know, free speech and all.

    2) Instant Run-off Voting allows for 3rd party candidates to compete without being spoilers. It also elects by popular vote.

    3) Then no one will bother to fund raise anyway so the point is a tautology.

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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    1) I disagree with the government deciding what is or isn't a negative ad. Let the people decide. If a candidate wants to waste some or all of his allotted ad time running negative ads, that should be his/her right. You know, free speech and all.
    I mean in the sense that you can only work to build up your own strengths, not to tear the other guy down. We're supposed to be voting for what you can do, not what you claim the other guy can't.

    2) Instant Run-off Voting allows for 3rd party candidates to compete without being spoilers. It also elects by popular vote.
    If everyone is funded and advertised the same way, then there should be no spoilers, it won't be a two-party race, it'll be between everyone who is running equally.

    3) Then no one will bother to fund raise anyway so the point is a tautology.
    I'm sure you'll find people who will still fund-raise, even candidates because in the end, they will get a piece of the pie. Given a choice between getting no money and 1/4 of the money, they'll fundraise even harder.
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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    It's NOT the government's money.

    Any corporation should be able to spend as much of it's money as it wishes on just about anything.

    And, yes, I support the repeal of all drug control laws, which, by the way, are unconstitutional.
    ...When the Constitution was written, drugs were not a problem...I think...They become a problem when laws are written against them, which may be true..The problem is, the root cause was never addressed, it could be that man simply can not do this.

    So you agree with the premise that corporations should be able to buy elections. Sorry, but I for one do not trust any corporation..
    This could make for an interesting movie, uncontrolled corporations and people.
    Are there any nations on this planet with uncontrolled corporations??
    Should be scary, very scary.

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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    ...When the Constitution was written, drugs were not a problem...I think...
    Drugs are still not a problem.

    I don't have any problem with drugs at all, outside of remembering to take my daily metformin pill.

    What is a problem is the government's continued and repeated violation of everyone's civil rights by it's perpetuation of the failed War on Drug Users.

    There wouldn't be any drug-related gang violence if drugs were a legal commodity with no consequences to the seller or buyer for possession and use.

    What the idiot seller does to his body is his choice. His body, his choice, remember? It does not apply to bimbo baby incubators wanting to murder their babies, because it's the baby's body, not hers, but as far as drugs are concerned, if someone shoots up some crap, that's his business.

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    So you agree with the premise that corporations should be able to buy elections.
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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That was true until a few weeks ago.
    At least know what you are talking about before you post misleading comments.

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    Note: Portions of this publication may be affected by the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United v. FEC. Essentially, the Court's ruling permits corporations and labor organizations to use treasury funds to make independent expenditures in connection with federal elections and to fund electioneering communications. The ruling did not affect the ban on corporate or union contributions or the reporting requirements for independent expenditures and electioneering communications. The Commission is studying the Court's opinion and will provide additional guidance as soon as possible.
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    Did you get that? Corporations are STILL BANNED FROM CONTRIBUTING TO ELECTION CAMPAIGNS. However, they are now free to fund political advertisements and to have them aired or printed.
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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think they should be allowed to buy all the commercials/ads they want for a politician as long as it is stated who paid for the ad/commercial, but directly giving to politicians should be seen as nothing more than a bribe. I believe free speech means you can speak ill or speak great about a political candidate just as long as it is not slander.Speech is the articulation of words that are either spoken,written, or sign language. So a ad on tv meets that definition,directly giving money however does not.
    Sounds just like current law.... oh wait, it is.
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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I mean in the sense that you can only work to build up your own strengths, not to tear the other guy down. We're supposed to be voting for what you can do, not what you claim the other guy can't.
    Again there's this thing called free speech.

    If everyone is funded and advertised the same way, then there should be no spoilers, it won't be a two-party race, it'll be between everyone who is running equally.
    You're wrong but I don't think explaining it will get through. Go read about Instant Run-off Voting.

    I'm sure you'll find people who will still fund-raise, even candidates because in the end, they will get a piece of the pie. Given a choice between getting no money and 1/4 of the money, they'll fundraise even harder.
    But I doubt you'll find non-politicians attending.

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    Re: How much should corporations be allowed to contribute to political campaigns?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    So you agree with the premise that corporations should be able to buy elections.
    That statement isn't entirely right. Corporations will be able to attempt to influence elections by using money to support a candidate in that election.

    The problem with that, is they have less restrictions on what they can say (to the best of my knowledge) because they are not politically affiliated. IE, they can lie, and say whatever they want about a candidate.

    The obvious problem with that (if they can say whatever they want, that is) is that they can essentially turn political races into nothing but mudslinging fights; even more then they are now. That would make it so the candidate who can say the most effective crap about the other person would win, rather then the person with the best policies.
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