View Poll Results: Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

Voters
6. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    0 0%
  • No

    6 100.00%
  • maybe/I do not know/other

    0 0%
Results 1 to 4 of 4

Thread: Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

  1. #1
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

    Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

    I say no. We do not have laws limiting any other kind of business why should we have laws limiting how many hospitals can be built?



    Basically from what I understand is that these laws limit how many hospitals can be built based on need.


    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Need]Certificate of Need - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    A Certificate of Need (CON), in the United States, is a legal document required in many state and some federal jurisdictions before proposed acquisitions, expansions, or creations of facilities are allowed. CONs are issued by a federal or state regulatory agency with authority over an area to affirm that the plan is required to fulfill the needs of a community. The concept of the Certificate of Need first arose in the field of health care and was passed first in New York in 1964 and then into federal law by the Richard Nixon administration in 1972. Certificates of need are are necessary for the construction of medical facility in 36 states and are issued by state health care agencies:

    The certificate-of-need requirement was originally based on state law. New York passed the first certificate-of-need law in 1964, the Metcalf- McCloskey Act. From that time to the passage of Section 1122 of the Social Security Act in 1972, another 18 states passed certificate-of-need legislation. Section 1122 was enacted because many states resisted any form of regulation dealing with health facilities and services.[1]

    A number of factors spurred states to require certificates of need in the health care industry. Chief among these was the concern that the construction of excess hospital capacity would cause competitors in an oversaturated field to cover the costs of a diluted patient pool by over-charging, or by convincing patients to accept hospitalization unnecessarily.[2]


    Certificate of Need

    The Effect of Certificate-of-Need Laws on Hospital Beds and Healthcare Expenditures: An Empirical Analysis

    CON-Certificate of Need State Laws
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-08-10 at 02:13 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #2
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

    I say no. We do not have laws limiting any other kind of business why should we have laws limiting how many hospitals can be built?



    Basically from what I understand is that these laws limit how many hospitals can be built based on need.


    Certificate of Need - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A Certificate of Need (CON), in the United States, is a legal document required in many state and some federal jurisdictions before proposed acquisitions, expansions, or creations of facilities are allowed. CONs are issued by a federal or state regulatory agency with authority over an area to affirm that the plan is required to fulfill the needs of a community. The concept of the Certificate of Need first arose in the field of health care and was passed first in New York in 1964 and then into federal law by the Richard Nixon administration in 1972. Certificates of need are are necessary for the construction of medical facility in 36 states and are issued by state health care agencies:

    The certificate-of-need requirement was originally based on state law. New York passed the first certificate-of-need law in 1964, the Metcalf- McCloskey Act. From that time to the passage of Section 1122 of the Social Security Act in 1972, another 18 states passed certificate-of-need legislation. Section 1122 was enacted because many states resisted any form of regulation dealing with health facilities and services.[1]

    A number of factors spurred states to require certificates of need in the health care industry. Chief among these was the concern that the construction of excess hospital capacity would cause competitors in an oversaturated field to cover the costs of a diluted patient pool by over-charging, or by convincing patients to accept hospitalization unnecessarily.[2]


    Certificate of Need

    The Effect of Certificate-of-Need Laws on Hospital Beds and Healthcare Expenditures: An Empirical Analysis

    CON-Certificate of Need State Laws
    No way, that stupid thing almost stopped a hospital from being built here.

    What was the reasoning that the other hospitals wanted to deny the building of the new one?

    They said it would increase competition and reduce prices.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  3. #3
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No way, that stupid thing almost stopped a hospital from being built here.

    What was the reasoning that the other hospitals wanted to deny the building of the new one?

    They said it would increase competition and reduce prices.
    Perhaps banning C.O.N. would be a good step towards reducing healthcare costs.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  4. #4
    Guru

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:57 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,469

    Re: Do you support Certificate of need rules for hospitals?

    CON is similar to a lot of other rules and regulations designed to limit competition. For expamle, licensing requirements for things such as cutting hair, real estate brokering, and others are all schemes to protect those in the business and make the barrier to entry as high as possible.

    .

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •