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Thread: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    They have not cooperated fully with IAEA inspectors. They have not reported all their facilities to the IAEA.

    Their program is shrouded in secrecy, which would not be necessary if they were only seeking nuclear power. Their actions demonstrate that they are either pursuing nuclear weapons or they would like to appear to be doing so.
    Indeed. The IRG (military) has established hundreds of front companies to either manufacture project components or procure them internationally.

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think it's time to make STRONG diplomatic decisions regarding Iran, and if those don't work we need to take military action. We should learn from history and specifically with what happened with North Korea and how Europe was soft on Hitler, allowing him to arm up and start a massive war. Things need to be done, the world needs to stand up and stop all this pc crap and take some strong sanctions and threaten military action against the theocratic crazy regime called Iran.


    Good idea in theory. Don't suspect it is going to happen.

    Problem is our politicians have a single primary priority. Their next election. And taking actions as you describe are not in the best interest of their staying in office. Taking action against Iran (however prudent it may be) would have a good probabliltiy of getting messy. Our congress pricks hate messy.


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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    They have not cooperated fully with IAEA inspectors. They have not reported all their facilities to the IAEA.

    Their program is shrouded in secrecy, which would not be necessary if they were only seeking nuclear power. Their actions demonstrate that they are either pursuing nuclear weapons or they would like to appear to be doing so.
    I think you've hit the nail right on the head. They would like to appear as it they are pursuing nuclear weapons. In reality, they might never actually make any. They can buy the plans, enrich the uranium, and get everything ready, but its their trump card. If they make the weapons, Isreal wll take them out, and there goes their trump card. So, what they should, and will do, is get the materials ready to make them ASAP if they ever need them. But, they will not make them, because that will result in fighting, and the overall end of their dictatorship.

    It's very smart of them to do this. They hold the pieces in place so the threat is real, but they don't act upon those pieces to fully establish the threat, so the West cannot react to that threat. It's a wonderful case of shadowboxing, and they are doing pretty well for themselves. And, coincidently, it also helps the West.

    Our main concern is that the Iranians actually make the weapons. As long as they do not, and they just maintain the peaceful purposes, everything is fine. And if we can start barking at them to not make the weapons, we don't have to bite them because they won't make those weapons.

    So, in the end, they will get all the materials ready, and they will have scientists and weapon experts on standby, but they won't go past that point, because there is no need to go past that point.
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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    The entire nuclear crisis in iran is a spectacle.

    The only point of pursuing a nuclear weapon is to deter a nuclear attack from another nation.

    It's either 'shucks we cant nukem' or 'shucks, who cares.'

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The entire nuclear crisis in iran is a spectacle.

    The only point of pursuing a nuclear weapon is to deter a nuclear attack from another nation.

    It's either 'shucks we cant nukem' or 'shucks, who cares.'
    They are on record as stating that they would like to destroy Israel. They have supported Islamic terrorists with weapons and aid. Nobody was about to attack them until they started pursuing nuclear weapons.

    I doubt this is just about deterring some non-existent nuclear threat to them.

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    The entire nuclear crisis in iran is a spectacle.

    The only point of pursuing a nuclear weapon is to deter a nuclear attack from another nation.

    It's either 'shucks we cant nukem' or 'shucks, who cares.'
    Actually, there are lots of reasons for having a nuclear weapon. Pakistan pursued nukes to deter conventional forces from India, which has a much larger military. NK's nukes change the game in that region, even if no one threatens them with nukes. Israel has nukes to defend against quite a number of enemies, none of which have nuclear capabilities (until/unless Iran develops them). Iran can use the threat of nukes to allow it all kinds of latitude in the use of conventional forces in its region, particularly to control sea lanes in the Persian Gulf.

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm consumed by your insightful take on the issue, I really am, but I believe Israelis are more than capable of defending their own nation, simultaneously, from 5 different nations.
    As proven in the 1948 and 1967 wars.
    I am sure they are, but with terrible biological/chemical and potentially nuclear developments in the region since 1967 I dont take the prospect very lightheaded.

    Israel is definetely important for Christians as well.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    I think you've hit the nail right on the head. They would like to appear as it they are pursuing nuclear weapons. In reality, they might never actually make any. They can buy the plans, enrich the uranium, and get everything ready, but its their trump card. If they make the weapons, Isreal wll take them out, and there goes their trump card. So, what they should, and will do, is get the materials ready to make them ASAP if they ever need them. But, they will not make them, because that will result in fighting, and the overall end of their dictatorship.

    It's very smart of them to do this. They hold the pieces in place so the threat is real, but they don't act upon those pieces to fully establish the threat, so the West cannot react to that threat. It's a wonderful case of shadowboxing, and they are doing pretty well for themselves. And, coincidently, it also helps the West.

    Our main concern is that the Iranians actually make the weapons. As long as they do not, and they just maintain the peaceful purposes, everything is fine. And if we can start barking at them to not make the weapons, we don't have to bite them because they won't make those weapons.

    So, in the end, they will get all the materials ready, and they will have scientists and weapon experts on standby, but they won't go past that point, because there is no need to go past that point.

    Israel may have a high quality military and sophisticated intelligence agencies. But those who believe that the Israelies could just sweep in and take out the Iranian facilities may be a little deluded. This is bit bigger of an udertaking than Entebbe or the Iraq reactor. And Iran has already taken a number of defensive actions to mitigate the Israeli threat.

    The Iranian nuclear situation is a complex/messy one. And don't suspect there are going to be any quick or easy answers.


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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    BBC News - Iran makes new uranium enrichment challenge

    Now choose the option you feel appropriate in the poll.
    Do you think an armed assault by NATO is due? Surely such a thing is inevitable, if this hard liner insists on dragging down Iran with him.
    You are acting like NATO is going to be pulling it's weight, it won't. When you mean NATO you mean the US does 98% of the action and everything else and the rest are consisted of five other countries who really don't give a damn. They might send 60 soldiers at any given time but not anymore.

    I don't think it is time for a military action or time for an economic sanction because economic sanctions only hurt the general population not the leaders. The leaders will not be hurting ever. Instead what should happen is that the US waits and sees what Iran does with this enrichment.

    IF they use it for energy it would sure make us look stupid for attacking them because not only did we not have a good reason to attack but now we are stuck in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan what a cluster f*ck to be in. So all we can really do is wait and see.

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    Re: Iran orders more enrichment, prompting US to call for the world to stand together

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    True, but they can simply withdraw from that. Nations withdraw from treaties all of the time.
    They said Israel should be wiped off the map.
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