View Poll Results: County Cooperatives

Voters
10. You may not vote on this poll
  • I am a liberal and I support this proposal

    2 20.00%
  • I am a liberal and I do NOT support this proposal

    1 10.00%
  • I am a conservative and I support this proposal

    2 20.00%
  • I am a conservative and I do NOT support this proposal

    0 0%
  • I am neither and I support this proposal

    3 30.00%
  • I am neither and I do NOT support this proposal

    0 0%
  • Other...

    2 20.00%
Page 1 of 6 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 52

Thread: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

  1. #1
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    I am curious whether people would be in favor of the following proposal. It is only 4 pages long so please take a moment. The budget is not worked out, but assume it will be.

    http://vawhigs.org/dp/County%20Cooperatives.pdf

    If you answer NO, please post and tell me why.

    thanks.
    Last edited by reefedjib; 02-06-10 at 04:57 PM.

  2. #2
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    I would add some portability to this plan.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  3. #3
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,751

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Interesting idea.

    Not sure as of yet, if I would support or oppose it.
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I would add some portability to this plan.
    Good idea. What would you have in mind? Perhaps issuing healthcare cards that would be used to transfer payments for services in non-home locations? In the absence of a card, when it is an emergency, treatment will be given.

  5. #5
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I am curious whether people would be in favor of the following proposal. It is only 4 pages long so please take a moment. The budget is not worked out, but assume it will be.

    http://vawhigs.org/dp/County%20Cooperatives.pdf

    If you answer NO, please post and tell me why.

    thanks.
    I like it but I've never been a fan of property taxes unless all other taxes are repealed.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Last Seen
    07-23-12 @ 03:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    6,763
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I like it but I've never been a fan of property taxes unless all other taxes are repealed.
    Why is that? What don't you like about them in the presence of other taxes, yet you are ok when they stand alone?

    I would point out that we have funding options at the state/local level. I was trying to reuse existing taxation systems, property taxes with income tax deductions, and state income and/or consumption taxes. We can vary the mixture and it is really up to each state. I can imagine a state that avoids property taxes and institutes income taxes to cover the cost.

  7. #7
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why is that? What don't you like about them in the presence of other taxes, yet you are ok when they stand alone?

    I would point out that we have funding options at the state/local level. I was trying to reuse existing taxation systems, property taxes with income tax deductions, and state income and/or consumption taxes. We can vary the mixture and it is really up to each state. I can imagine a state that avoids property taxes and institutes income taxes to cover the cost.
    With property taxes and modern ownership, you never really own it if you have to pay every year.

    A complete land tax on the other hand is explained here [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism]Georgism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame], although very very few people would support it.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  8. #8
    Sporadic insanity normal.


    The Mark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Pennsylvania
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    19,751

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    With property taxes and modern ownership, you never really own it if you have to pay every year.

    A complete land tax on the other hand is explained here Georgism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, although very very few people would support it.
    Actually, I don't see much wrong with that idea...

    What are the issues people have with it?
    Education.

    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

  9. #9
    Sage
    Harry Guerrilla's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Not affiliated with other libertarians.
    Last Seen
    09-01-17 @ 02:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    28,955

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Actually, I don't see much wrong with that idea...

    What are the issues people have with it?
    You never actually own the land itself, it's the detachment of not being able to pass it on, although you can pass on the structure and the lease can be paid for by your heirs.
    I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
    —Adam Shepard

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Whitewater, CO
    Last Seen
    04-05-16 @ 06:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    8,260
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Getting rid of entitlements or County Cooperatives

    The term "entitlements" is often present in far right rhetoric designed to push the idea that people are not entitled to assistance from their government.

    It's bs and should not be used.

Page 1 of 6 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •