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  • Evil maniacal monster. Thank God he's dead.

    51 66.23%
  • Villain who you can empathize with without condoning like MacBeth.

    5 6.49%
  • Great guy who has been unjustly villified by his victorious enemies.

    15 19.48%
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Actually no, I do not agree, I merely choose not to disagree.

    I will point out however that your first statement in the referred post is pretty much history revisionism.
    The rest of your statements I choose not to have opinions on.
    What's your position cant be bothered to read through thread?

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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by MetalGear View Post
    What's your position cant be bothered to read through thread?
    I think that Hitler was one of the biggest villains in mankind's history, that his murders of millions of innocents and the wars that he has initiated were motivated by both hatred and ideology.

    He believed that in order to unite his people under his leadership, he would have to create an enemy for the entire nation.
    He has also believed that for his nation to achieve world dominance he would have to create allies, that would aid him in the conquering, and that he would later on betray as well.

    To sum it up, Hitler was infested with evil intentions.
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Okay, so you disagree with me...
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Okay, so you disagree with me...
    I too take the belief that it were the Nazi generals and high-ranking officers that are mainly responsible for the military achievements of Nazi Germany.

    You cannot ask me however to ignore the fact that the state's policies of Nazi Germany were purely based on Hitler's ideology, as they were said and written by Hitler before he became the fuhrer of the state, in his book that he has written in prison and in his countless speeches before the elections and after it.
    Last edited by Apocalypse; 02-14-10 at 10:43 AM.
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    All I have to say is, Mein Kampf was dreadfully boring. He should have had Leni Riefenstahl turn it into a movie.
    Yeah, it was a struggle for me to finish. Informative, but boring, read.
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse
    You cannot ask me however to ignore the fact that the state's policies of Nazi Germany were purely based on Hitler's ideology, as they were said and written by Hitler before he became the fuhrer of the state, in his book that he has written in prison and in his countless speeches before the elections and after it.
    "Hitler's ideology"? Mussolini himself upon reading Mein Kampf called it "a boring tome that I have never been able to read" and remarked that Hitler's beliefs expressed in the book were "little more than commonplace clichés." (Wiki)

    The ideas expressed in Mein Kampf were the ramblings of a bumbling nutjob; there was no "genius" or really any intellectualism that went into it. He took ideas that were already existent and wrote them down in a book.

    So I guess I'm not sure where your belief that Hitler was some kind of genius fits in?

    And what about my earlier statement do you disagree with?
    Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 02-15-10 at 10:12 AM.
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So I guess I'm not sure where your belief that Hitler was some kind of genius fits in?
    Probably in the part where he united a nation under fear, paranoia, and patriotism, had fantastic economic policies, built up the military more than any other European power in such a short period of time despite being battered in WW1, turned Germany from a pile of cement to a glowing nation of industrial progression and development under a decade and almost took all of Europe while incurring huge defeats to Soviet Russia and Federal America prior to the bad Nazi years of 44/45. Are you incapable of seeing that much? Surely one cannot help but admire such statesmanship? His racist ideology aside, Hitler's approach has been and will be a how-to handbook for every revolutionary now and in a 100 years from now.
    Inevitably, what he did and how he did it will stand the test of time and will be admired by the future leaders of our children both good and bad.
    Last edited by kaya'08; 02-15-10 at 10:14 AM.
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    You're not serious, are you?
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    You're not serious, are you?
    You bet your arse.
    Do you think just because he was a racist, elements of his leadership cannot be admired?
    Hell, i admire Stalin, his industrial revolution of Russia and his kick ass against the Nazi empire. I also realize he was a communist bastard whack job with a moustache, but there is something good to be learnt from evil and something bad to be learnt from good.
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    Re: What do you think of Hitler?

    Probably in the part where he united a nation under fear, paranoia, and patriotism,
    It is inevitable that when there is a political void (and there was a huge one from the failure of the Socialists/Communists and their betrayal of the German workers) there will be someone to come in and fill it. That is what happened with the Nazi's.

    had fantastic economic policies, built up the military more than any other European power in such a short period of time despite being battered in WW1
    Again, Hitler was not the architect of such a massive plan. Moreover, they had huge infusions of foreign capital so it wasn't surprising in the least that they were able to rebuild.

    and almost took all of Europe while incurring huge defeats to Soviet Russia and Federal America prior to the bad Nazi years of 44/45.
    Again, Hitler had little or nothing to do with most of this.

    Hell, i admire Stalin, his industrial revolution of Russia
    Again, it wasn't "his". Yes, Stalin was much more involved in all aspects of Soviet policy, to the point where other world leaders were astounded at the knowledge that he commanded of various military tactics, weaponry, etc... for example, but he is not the creator of every single policy during the years that he was in office. That is giving him way too much credit and, as I said earlier, letting way too many people off the hook.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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