View Poll Results: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

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  • Adolf Hitler, Germany

    11 42.31%
  • Benito Mussolini, Italy

    2 7.69%
  • Josef Stalin, USSR

    7 26.92%
  • Vladimir Lenin, USSR

    0 0%
  • Neville Chamberlain, UK

    5 19.23%
  • Edouard Deladier, France

    1 3.85%
  • Charles DeGaulle, France

    0 0%
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Thread: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    While I agree fully, I will admit to voting Chamberlain to provoke discussion, and clearly Stalin was the most evil sonofabitch to walk Europe in the Twentieth Century.
    I think he means from a leadership perspective. Stalin regardless of what he did, had brilliant and ruthless leadership that held the Soviets together through some very intense hardships. Neville Chamberlain's naive attitude ensured the demise of millions of poles, homosexuals, jews, slavs, Muslims and Christians.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Havent read all the post but

    Stalin is/was not European, he was from Georgia, which is in Asia

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Havent read all the post but

    Stalin is/was not European, he was from Georgia, which is in Asia
    I disagree. I think they identify as Europeans. This is in part because of their desire to join the EU. Also because they are South of the Caucasus Mountains and their history has by far greater involvement with the West than with the East.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 02-07-10 at 02:48 PM.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I disagree. I think they identify as Europeans. This is in part because of their desire to join the EU.
    You dissagree that Georgia is in Asia?

    Geographically it is asian. Culturally it is post communist orthadox christian.


    That Georgia wants to join the EU does not make Georgia part of Europe,

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Geographically it is asian.
    According to whom?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)

    The terms Georgia and Georgians appeared in Western Europe in numerous medieval annals including that of Crusaders and later in the official documents and letters of the Florentine de’ Medici family.[18] The French chronicler Jacques de Vitry and the English traveler Sir John Mandeville wrote that Georgians are called Georgian because they especially revere Saint George. Notably, in January 2004 the country adopted the five-cross flag, featuring the Saint George's Cross; it has been argued that the flag was used in Georgia from the 5th century throughout the Middle Ages.[19][20]
    BBC News - Country profile: Georgia

    Situated at the strategically important crossroads where Europe meets Asia, Georgia has a unique and ancient cultural heritage, famous traditions of hospitality and cuisine and an alphabet which is entirely its own.
    That Georgia wants to join the EU does not make Georgia part of Europe,
    Only that to want to join the EU you actually have to be a European country.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union]Enlargement of the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Any European country could in theory apply to join the EU, at which point the Council would consult with the Commission and the European Parliament on beginning accession negotiations. The council would either accept or reject the recommendation unanimously. To receive a positive recommendation, the country must meet the following criteria:[14]
    It must be a "European State"
    It must respect the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law.
    ...Why would Georgia, an "Asian" country be interested in joining an organization it can't join?
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, Germany's three whole divisions would have shattered France's 100.
    When are we talking about here?

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Havent read all the post but

    Stalin is/was not European, he was from Georgia, which is in Asia
    The Soviet Union was in Europe. IE, he was a European leader.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    The Soviet Union was in Europe. IE, he was a European leader.
    Have you looked at a map of the USSR?

    The majority of territory was in Asia

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Have you looked at a map of the USSR?

    The majority of territory was in Asia
    Have you looked at a map of Europe? The Soviet Union, all the way up to Russia, was on there. At the same time, it is in Asia, therefore it as a Eurasian power bloc (or was) so it was still in Europe.

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