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  • Adolf Hitler, Germany

    11 42.31%
  • Benito Mussolini, Italy

    2 7.69%
  • Josef Stalin, USSR

    7 26.92%
  • Vladimir Lenin, USSR

    0 0%
  • Neville Chamberlain, UK

    5 19.23%
  • Edouard Deladier, France

    1 3.85%
  • Charles DeGaulle, France

    0 0%
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Thread: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Mussolini. His level of incompetence was unmatched among other European leaders at the time. Sure Chamberlain made mistakes, but that is only with the benefit of hindsight. Mussolini was simply a showboating moron who managed to screw up pretty much everything he did.
    You don't know much about El Douche, that's for certain.


    "Mussolini was the driving force behind the Italian fascist movement however; its success was limited due to strong traditional networks prevalent in Italy at that time." - Success Of Mussolini

    He was not the greatest, but far from the worst.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    1 "We" is "Us" not you
    2 Again this is based on the assumption that we had the capacity to "fix it" we didn't until we rearmed. Had we started fighting earlier we would have lost.
    Yes, Germany's three whole divisions would have shattered France's 100.

    Why is it that people completely ignorant of military realities want to pretend they can both understand history and have the only valid vision of the future? And when I say "people", I'm referring to you.

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Neville Chamberlain, because he actually trusted Hitler.

    Hitler was actually a good leader and a warped human being, just a crappy general.
    1) Hitler was a corporal, a national leader, never a general.

    2) HItler's only serious mistake was Operation Barbarossa. If he'd left Russia alone and focused on silencing England, he probably could have won the war.

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, Germany's three whole divisions would have shattered France's 100.

    Why is it that people completely ignorant of military realities want to pretend they can both understand history and have the only valid vision of the future? And when I say "people", I'm referring to you.
    If Army Group A (or whatever group it was) hadn't gone north in accordance with the old plans, and if their tanks hadn't been spread out but held in reserve to counter any breakthrough/exploit any holes, then you never know. Jokes about France aside, they would have still put a dent in the German Panzer Corp, even without the extensive level of tactical control.

    Anyhow, the Germans won, by smashing and grabbing, before the relatively centralized French Command could react.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    1) Hitler was a corporal, a national leader, never a general.

    2) HItler's only serious mistake was Operation Barbarossa. If he'd left Russia alone and focused on silencing England, he probably could have won the war.
    I agree, except he made some other mistakes as well. He should never have started telling his generals what to do. Consider, if he hadn't had Goering start bombing British cities, and if he had allowed him to annihilate RAF as he should have done, maybe the invasion of Britain could have procedded.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Hitler caused his country to get smashed

    Stalin made his country more powerful even though his atrocities were as bad as Hitlers

    Quisling is way up there with Mussolini

    Chamberlain was a failure

    The French leadership-Daladier and Lebrun were huge failures-their capitulation to the Nazis was a screw up of everlasting proportions



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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, to be perverse I'm going to name Neville Chamberlain, the Enabler.

    Edit: Darn, I hit the "ENTER" button before adding "Francisco Franco, Spain", and "Other".

    Any mod want to fix that?

    Thanks.
    That would be my choice, too. I accept as a given the mass murderers in the list as evil.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    1) Hitler was a corporal, a national leader, never a general.
    As in he told his generals how to run the war. Damn why don't you READ and stop with the knee jerk reactions to EVERYTHING.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    2) HItler's only serious mistake was Operation Barbarossa. If he'd left Russia alone and focused on silencing England, he probably could have won the war.
    #1 It was NOT that simple.
    #2 Russia had already planned to attack Germany in 1943.
    #3 He needed the Russian oil fields to fuel Germany's war machine.
    #4 "The Battle of Britten" Was lost the moment he had his generals stop bombing the radar stations.
    #5 Germany had very little actual chance of winning the war. He did not expect England and France to declare war.
    #6 As if this had anything to do with my statement.

    For the love of GOD, study some history.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    You don't know much about El Douche, that's for certain.


    "Mussolini was the driving force behind the Italian fascist movement however; its success was limited due to strong traditional networks prevalent in Italy at that time." - Success Of Mussolini

    He was not the greatest, but far from the worst.
    Let me illustrate Mussolini's sheer stupidity. He demobilizes 600,000 soldiers in late September 1940, only to call upon them for an invasion of Greece in October. Even someone without the tiniest knowledge of strategy or military planning knows that you shouldn't tell your soldiers to go home if you are planning a war in a month.

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    Re: Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Let me illustrate Mussolini's sheer stupidity. He demobilizes 600,000 soldiers in late September 1940, only to call upon them for an invasion of Greece in October. Even someone without the tiniest knowledge of strategy or military planning knows that you shouldn't tell your soldiers to go home if you are planning a war in a month.
    The same could be said for Hitlers military blunders.

    Not being a good general does not make him the worst European leader of all time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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