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Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

Worst European Leader in Twentieth Century

  • Adolf Hitler, Germany

    Votes: 9 42.9%

  • Benito Mussolini, Italy

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • Josef Stalin, USSR

    Votes: 4 19.0%

  • Vladimir Lenin, USSR

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Neville Chamberlain, UK

    Votes: 5 23.8%

  • Edouard Deladier, France

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Charles DeGaulle, France

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    21
Hitler caused his country to get smashed

Stalin made his country more powerful even though his atrocities were as bad as Hitlers

Quisling is way up there with Mussolini

Chamberlain was a failure

The French leadership-Daladier and Lebrun were huge failures-their capitulation to the Nazis was a screw up of everlasting proportions
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Well, to be perverse I'm going to name Neville Chamberlain, the Enabler.

Edit: Darn, I hit the "ENTER" button before adding "Francisco Franco, Spain", and "Other".

Any mod want to fix that?

Thanks.
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That would be my choice, too. I accept as a given the mass murderers in the list as evil.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
1) Hitler was a corporal, a national leader, never a general.
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As in he told his generals how to run the war. Damn why don't you READ and stop with the knee jerk reactions to EVERYTHING. :roll:

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
2) HItler's only serious mistake was Operation Barbarossa. If he'd left Russia alone and focused on silencing England, he probably could have won the war.
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#1 It was NOT that simple.
#2 Russia had already planned to attack Germany in 1943.
#3 He needed the Russian oil fields to fuel Germany's war machine.
#4 "The Battle of Britten" Was lost the moment he had his generals stop bombing the radar stations.
#5 Germany had very little actual chance of winning the war. He did not expect England and France to declare war.
#6 As if this had anything to do with my statement. :doh

For the love of GOD, study some history.
 
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You don't know much about El Douche, that's for certain.


"Mussolini was the driving force behind the Italian fascist movement however; its success was limited due to strong traditional networks prevalent in Italy at that time." - Success Of Mussolini

He was not the greatest, but far from the worst.
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Let me illustrate Mussolini's sheer stupidity. He demobilizes 600,000 soldiers in late September 1940, only to call upon them for an invasion of Greece in October. Even someone without the tiniest knowledge of strategy or military planning knows that you shouldn't tell your soldiers to go home if you are planning a war in a month.
 
rathi said:
Let me illustrate Mussolini's sheer stupidity. He demobilizes 600,000 soldiers in late September 1940, only to call upon them for an invasion of Greece in October. Even someone without the tiniest knowledge of strategy or military planning knows that you shouldn't tell your soldiers to go home if you are planning a war in a month.
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The same could be said for Hitlers military blunders.

Not being a good general does not make him the worst European leader of all time.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
While I agree fully, I will admit to voting Chamberlain to provoke discussion, and clearly Stalin was the most evil sonofabitch to walk Europe in the Twentieth Century.
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I think he means from a leadership perspective. Stalin regardless of what he did, had brilliant and ruthless leadership that held the Soviets together through some very intense hardships. Neville Chamberlain's naive attitude ensured the demise of millions of poles, homosexuals, jews, slavs, Muslims and Christians.
 
Havent read all the post but

Stalin is/was not European, he was from Georgia, which is in Asia
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Havent read all the post but

Stalin is/was not European, he was from Georgia, which is in Asia
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I disagree. I think they identify as Europeans. This is in part because of their desire to join the EU. Also because they are South of the Caucasus Mountains and their history has by far greater involvement with the West than with the East.
 
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Hatuey said:
I disagree. I think they identify as Europeans. This is in part because of their desire to join the EU.
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You dissagree that Georgia is in Asia?

Geographically it is asian. Culturally it is post communist orthadox christian.


That Georgia wants to join the EU does not make Georgia part of Europe,
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Geographically it is asian.
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According to whom?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)

The terms Georgia and Georgians appeared in Western Europe in numerous medieval annals including that of Crusaders and later in the official documents and letters of the Florentine de’ Medici family.[18] The French chronicler Jacques de Vitry and the English traveler Sir John Mandeville wrote that Georgians are called Georgian because they especially revere Saint George. Notably, in January 2004 the country adopted the five-cross flag, featuring the Saint George's Cross; it has been argued that the flag was used in Georgia from the 5th century throughout the Middle Ages.[19][20]
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BBC News - Country profile: Georgia

Situated at the strategically important crossroads where Europe meets Asia, Georgia has a unique and ancient cultural heritage, famous traditions of hospitality and cuisine and an alphabet which is entirely its own.
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That Georgia wants to join the EU does not make Georgia part of Europe,
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Only that to want to join the EU you actually have to be a European country.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union]Enlargement of the European Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Any European country could in theory apply to join the EU, at which point the Council would consult with the Commission and the European Parliament on beginning accession negotiations. The council would either accept or reject the recommendation unanimously. To receive a positive recommendation, the country must meet the following criteria:[14]
It must be a "European State"
It must respect the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law.
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...Why would Georgia, an "Asian" country be interested in joining an organization it can't join?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
Have you looked at a map of the USSR?

The majority of territory was in Asia
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Have you looked at a map of Europe? The Soviet Union, all the way up to Russia, was on there. At the same time, it is in Asia, therefore it as a Eurasian power bloc (or was) so it was still in Europe.

You want to stop, or do you want to argue for the sake of arguing?
 
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