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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In that case men and women should be housed together, roomed together and shower together. They're all professionals.
    You keep bringing that up and you keep ducking the question. This isn't about men and women, this is about gay men and straight men.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    If it's quite obvious then tell me? And I admit I don't have an answer, that's why I keep asking you. You keep hinting at something as if it's a secret.

    So give me the answer already.

    Why can't gay men and straight men shower together? They're already doing it.
    Because presumably straight men don't know who is gay.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    If it's quite obvious then tell me? And I admit I don't have an answer, that's why I keep asking you. You keep hinting at something as if it's a secret.

    So give me the answer already.

    Why can't gay men and straight men shower together? They're already doing it.
    Please explain how exactly is the fact that it has already happened make it correct.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Some people are afraid the ghey is contagious.
    Only those who are unsure of their own sexuality. I think it's absurd that one of the arguments I hear most often about gays in the military is that the current military macho-man ideal might be challenged and make these emotionally-unstable muscle-bound morons uncomfortable.

    GOOD! They should be made uncomfortable! Maybe it would make them grow the hell up and develop a little maturity. The military tends to like these mindless brutes who embrace their own masculinity on the outside, but inside are little boys following orders. Anyone who thinks they're going to be turned gay because some gay guys are hanging around really has bigger problems than they think.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    You keep bringing that up and you keep ducking the question. This isn't about men and women, this is about gay men and straight men.
    You ducked the question and are playing semantics games. You don't know what men and women don't live and shower together??? You don't know something is needs no study because it is plainly obvious to every person except maybe you?
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Please explain how exactly is the fact that it has already happened make it correct.
    Gay men are in the military. Straight men are in the military.

    On many occasions in the military, such as in Navy boot camp, the showers are just one big room with large shower heads in the middle of the room. You walk in, you hang your towel, you shower. Everybody else does the same. Gay men have done it, straight men have done. They've all done it together.

    See. It's easy. And nobody died and the world didn't end. Everyone just goes on about their business and does their job.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Okay, but what about the housing once openness is okay? Before it didn't matter because supposedly you didn't know who was gay. But now that you know, straight men may object to being in the same living quarters. So shouldn't separate quarters be arranged for openly gay soldiers?
    Why? I was listening to a radio interview a couple of days ago where they had a former military man on and he says back in the 70s and 80s, his platoon knew that there were gay men serving, they just didn't care. Nobody ever made a move on anyone else, it was understood that it was forbidden and life went on.

    Are military men so shallow that they can't handle being around gay men? After all, are they so shallow that they can't handle being around women without raping them? And I thought only the Muslims and Jews were so insane that "we have to cover the women up or they might make us rape them".
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Fine, let them serve, let them be soldiers. In the work environment it is different than in a housing environment, plainly obvious by the fact that women don't room with men. Geee, what could be the reason.....gee I don't know let's do a $million study.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why? I was listening to a radio interview a couple of days ago where they had a former military man on and he says back in the 70s and 80s, his platoon knew that there were gay men serving, they just didn't care. Nobody ever made a move on anyone else, it was understood that it was forbidden and life went on.

    Are military men so shallow that they can't handle being around gay men? After all, are they so shallow that they can't handle being around women without raping them? And I thought only the Muslims and Jews were so insane that "we have to cover the women up or they might make us rape them".
    They didn't make a move why? Cause they'd have been thrown out maybe? In spite of sexual harrassment laws, men and women still aren't house together.
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    Re: Gays in the military (its anonymous)

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Gay men are in the military. Straight men are in the military.

    On many occasions in the military, such as in Navy boot camp, the showers are just one big room with large shower heads in the middle of the room. You walk in, you hang your towel, you shower. Everybody else does the same. Gay men have done it, straight men have done. They've all done it together.

    See. It's easy. And nobody died and the world didn't end. Everyone just goes on about their business and does their job.
    In your post I have only spotted further claims that it has happened, and yet no reasoning as to what makes it correct. (that the world didn't end does not, apparently, make an event positive)
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