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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    If those numbers are correct, then there is seriously something wrong with policing. The average dude has 100 victims before getting caught. Obviously the problem here isn't the punishments, but that no one get caught.
    The reason that most child molestation isn't reported is because it isn't done by strangers. 68% of child molesters molest members of their own family (son/daughter--incest), step kids, nieces, nephews, etc. And when they molest them, the children hear messages that if they tell, they will get into trouble, or the person will go away, or the police will come and get the victim, or "mommy will be mad." Remember, this is abuse by a trusted family member or trusted family friend. The overwhelming majority of victims of child molestation KNOW THEIR PERPETRATOR. Child rape by strangers is likely to be reported, but child rape by family members or close friends is often never reported.

    We know that these perpetrators have multiple victims because of studies of child molesters under polygraph (self-report data) and because of victim self-report studies. However, these crimes are ALMOST NEVER reported to the police (or only in a small percentage of the cases). If the crimes aren't reported, it's very difficult for police to take action, particularly when these crimes are occurring secretively, inside families.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So we should put some people in jail for crimes they might commit in the future that they won't even be arrested for?
    No. We should put them in jail permanently because the seriousness of the crime is such that it warrants it. This is true for several reasons. First, childhood molestation causes permanent, irreversible harm to the victims that is just as egregious as homicide.

    Second, it is generally committed by adults in a position of trust...a trusted family member, a school teacher, a boy scout leader. Not only have these individuals abused a child, but they have violated that position of trust.

    Thirdly, and probably most importantly, childhood molestation CREATES NEW PERPETRATORS. 47% of child molesters were themselves molested. And, if this molestation occurred with frequency, their number of victims triples. 82% of the child molesters who were themselves molested repeatedly in childhood can be accurately classified as pedophiles, and pedophiles commit 88% of molestation.

    Source: http://www.childmolestationpreventio...pdfs/study.pdf
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The difference is that child molestation is linked to what is (based upon our current knowledge) an uncurable mental illness. Child molesters do not stop with one victim. So, releasing them from prison almost guarantees that there will be future victims of this crime.
    As I already pointed out, a singular offense is not proof of pedophilia:
    Child molestation is a crime involving a range of indecent or sexual activities between an adult and a child, usually under the age of 14. In psychiatric terms, these acts are sometimes known as pedophilia. It is important, however, to keep in mind that child molestation and child Sexual Abuse refer to specific, legally defined actions. They do not necessarily imply that the perpetrator bears a particular psychological makeup or motive. For example, not all incidents of child molestation are perpetrated by pedophiles; sometimes the perpetrator has other motives for his or her actions and does not manifest an ongoing patternof sexual attraction to children. Thus, not all child molestation is perpetrated by pedophiles, and not all pedophiles actually commit child molestation.
    Child Molestation legal definition of Child Molestation. Child Molestation synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    See the above synthesis of research studies on the subject. Research on convicted child molesters indicates that the average offender has over 100 victims.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The reason that most child molestation isn't reported is because it isn't done by strangers. 68% of child molesters molest members of their own family (son/daughter--incest), step kids, nieces, nephews, etc.
    Hmm, how can this be, the two studies do not match.
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    As I already pointed out, a singular offense is not proof of pedophilia:
    However, it is proof of being a child molester, which is sufficient for me.

    Hmm, how can this be, the two studies do not match.
    They don't necessarily not-match, because the 68% and the 40% overlap. Some molest both family members and the children of friends/children they work with. And, it's possible to have multiple victims. Beyond that, the pedophiles that participated in the polygraph test may have had more victims, on average, because they were already incarcerated for child molestation.

    You'd have to examine the survey methodologies. That's why I provided links, because I know how thoughtfully and thoroughly you like to research your ideological positions.
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    However, it is proof of being a child molester, which is sufficient for me.
    In legal terms, yes, but it is not proof of "an uncurable mental illness", as the text I provided shows.

    You'd have to examine the survey methodologies. That's why I provided links, because I know how thoughtfully and thoroughly you like to research your ideological positions.
    I noted the claims are contradictory, nothing more...

    At closer inspection, it turns out that the "over 100 victims" does not refer to "convicted child molesters", as you falsely claimed, but "imprisoned sex offenders".
    Perhaps your "ideological position" lead you to misread and misrepresent this?
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    In legal terms, yes, but it is not proof of "an uncurable mental illness", as the text I provided shows.
    It is proof that they molest children. And, taht crime is serious enough to warrant a life sentence, in my book.

    At closer inspection, it turns out that the "over 100 victims" does not refer to "convicted child molesters", as you falsely claimed, but "imprisoned sex offenders".
    Perhaps your "ideological position" lead you to misread and misrepresent this?
    My bad. Apparently, it lumps together all sorts of sex offenders, not just child molesters. However, one of the studies I linked showed that they average sex offender had many victims.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It is proof that they molest children. And, taht crime is serious enough to warrant a life sentence, in my book.
    All it proves it that they are guilty of the charges they are convicted for, perhaps your "ideology" is clouding your judgment?
    In my opinion this needs different consideration than a proven repeat offender or a pedo who is a repeat offender by definition.

    My bad. Apparently, it lumps together all sorts of sex offenders, not just child molesters. However, one of the studies I linked showed that they average sex offender had many victims.
    Yes, the one in question does so, as I have just pointed out.
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    All it proves it that they are guilty of the charges they are convicted for, perhaps your "ideology" is clouding your judgment?
    In my opinion this needs different consideration than a proven repeat offender or a pedo who is a repeat offender by definition.
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    They are guilty of child molestation. Hence, they're a child molester, and I believe the sentence for that crime should be life without the possibility of parole. Prisons aren't for therapy. They are for removing predators from society. Once an individual has demonstrated he is a predator of that particular sort, he should be culled from the herd forever.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    They are guilty of child molestation. Hence, they're a child molester, and I believe the sentence for that crime should be life without the possibility of parole. Prisons aren't for therapy. They are for removing predators from society. Once an individual has demonstrated he is a predator of that particular sort, he should be culled from the herd forever.
    Show me somewhere in the law that says the purpose of incarceration is to remove people from society so they can't commit more crimes. If that were true, all sentences would be life sentences.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    I do not think pedophiles should be castrated. They should all be executed. The only exception should be some cases of statutory rape. For instance a 18year old having sex eith a 16 year old. I think that there should be an age window. Say 16 to 20, as long as both consent and are within that window then no crime was commited.
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