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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I don't see why anyone would vote "no". If you commit armed robery, you lose your right to use a gun. If you rape a child, you should lose your right to use a penis.
    Please feel free to provide evidence that cutting off a penis actually would stop child molestation.
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I don't see why anyone would vote "no". If you commit armed robery, you lose your right to use a gun. If you rape a child, you should lose your right to use a penis.
    Um, doesn't this mean all rapists should be castrated, not just child rapists?

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Recidivism for child molesters is very high.
    Not really. 3.3% of child offenders do it again the next 3 years, and it's lower for first timers. [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender]Sex offender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    because really, raping a child could happen to anyone...Perhaps he just fell into her.

    No, Where did you get that idea from.


    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    first timers are usually just people who got caught for the first time.
    How do you know? That may be an argument for better policing, but not for giving first time offenders another chance. Remember that rape is a serious offence, and if the child doesn't think it's normal, then she is probably going to tell.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Not really. 3.3% of child offenders do it again the next 3 years, and it's lower for first timers. Sex offender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    No, Where did you get that idea from.



    How do you know? That may be an argument for better policing, but not for giving first time offenders another chance. Remember that rape is a serious offence, and if the child doesn't think it's normal, then she is probably going to tell.
    how do i know? because many, many times when someone is caught prior crimes surface. and the reason children don't tell is because they're the perfect victims, they are easily manipulated and scared.

    btw, 3.3% are REARRESTED....that certainly doesn't mean they didn't reoffend. jeez.
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Not really. 3.3% of child offenders do it again the next 3 years, and it's lower for first timers.
    3.3% are ARRESTED FOR IT. There's a difference.

    Underestimating Recidivism
    Reliance on measures of recidivism as reflected through official criminal justice system data obviously omit offenses that are not cleared through an arrest or those that are never reported to the police. This distinction is critical in the measurement of recidivism of sex offenders. For a variety of reasons, sexual assault is a vastly underreported crime. The National Crime Victimization Surveys (Bureau of Justice Statistics) conducted in 1994, 1995, and 1998 indicate that only 32 percent (one out of three) of sexual assaults against persons 12 or older are reported to law enforcement. A three-year longitudinal study (Kilpatrick, Edmunds, and Seymour, 1992) of 4,008 adult women found that 84 percent of respondents who identified themselves as rape victims did not report the crime to authorities. (No current studies indicate the rate of reporting for child sexual assault, although it is generally assumed that these assaults are equally underreported.) Many victims are afraid to report sexual assault to the police. They may fear that reporting will lead to the following:
    1. further victimization by the offender;
    2. other forms of retribution by the offender or by the offender's friends or family;
    3. arrest, prosecution, and incarceration of an offender who may be a family member or friend and on whom the victim or others may depend;
    4. others finding out about the sexual assault (including friends, family members, media, and the public);
    5. not being believed; and
    6. being traumatized by the criminal justice system response.

    Several studies support the hypothesis that sexual offense recidivism rates are underreported. Marshall and Barbaree (1990) compared official records of a sample of sex offenders with "unofficial" sources of data. They found that the number of subsequent sex offenses revealed through unofficial sources was 2.4 times higher than the number that was recorded in official reports.

    In addition, research using information generated through polygraph examinations on a sample of imprisoned sex offenders with fewer than two known victims (on average), found that these offenders actually had an average of 110 victims and 318 offenses (Ahlmeyer, Heil, McKee, and English, 2000). Another polygraph study found a sample of imprisoned sex offenders to have extensive criminal histories, committing sex crimes for an average of 16 years before being caught (Ahlmeyer, English, and Simons, 1999).

    Application of Studies of General Criminal Recidivism

    The identification of factors associated with criminal recidivism has been an area of significant research over the past 20 years. This work has fueled the development of countless policies and instruments to guide sentencing and release decisions throughout the criminal justice system. If one assumes that sex offenders are similar to other criminal offenders, then the preponderance of research should assist practitioners in identifying risk factors in this population as well. Gottfredson and Hirschi (1990) argued that there is little specialization among criminal offenders. In this view, robbers also commit burglary and those who commit assaults also may be drug offenders. The extensive research on recidivism among the general criminal population has identified a set of factors that are consistently associated with subsequent criminal behavior. These factors include being young, having an unstable employment history, abusing alcohol and drugs, holding pro-criminal attitudes, and associating with other criminals (Gendreau, Little, and Goggin, 1996).

    However, there is some evidence that suggests that sexual offending may differ from other criminal behavior (Hanson and Bussiere, 1998). Although sex offenders may commit other types of offenses, other types of offenders rarely commit sex offenses (Bonta and Hanson, 1995; Hanson, Steffy, and Gauthier, 1995). If this is the case, then a different set of factors may be associated with the recidivism of sex offenders than for the general offender population. This statement is reinforced by the finding that many persistent sex offenders receive low risk scores on instruments designed to predict recidivism among the general offender population (Bonta and Hanson, 1995).

    ...Conversely, Prentky, Lee, Knight, and Cerce (1997) found that over a 25-year period, child molesters had higher rates of reoffense than rapists. In this study, recidivism was operationalized as a failure rate and calculated as the proportion of individuals who were rearrested using survival analysis (which takes into account the amount of time each offender has been at risk in the community). Results show that over longer periods of time, child molesters have a higher failure rate—thus, a higher rate of rearrest—than rapists (52 percent versus 39 percent over 25 years).
    CSOM Publications - Recidivism of Sex Offenders

    No, Where did you get that idea from.
    You know, anyone could make a mistake and accidently find his penis in a 2 year old. Allowances should be granted for first time offenders.

    /sarcasm

    How do you know? That may be an argument for better policing, but not for giving first time offenders another chance. Remember that rape is a serious offence, and if the child doesn't think it's normal, then she is probably going to tell.
    See the above synthesis of research studies on the subject. Research on convicted child molesters indicates that the average offender has over 100 victims. You're right...rape is a serious offense, and most sex offenders have ways of terrorizing the victim to keep him/her from talking. Your post represents zero understanding of this subject.

    In point of facts, 84% of the time, rape is NOT reported when it occurs, and the rates are higher for non-reporting of child rape. Victimization may not be discovered for years. That doesn't mean that serious harm wasn't done.
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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how do i know? because many, many times when someone is caught prior crimes surface. and the reason children don't tell is because they're the perfect victims, they are easily manipulated and scared.
    Well, I meant how do we know that a person has done anything before?

    I think a child could choose not to tell if it is more a minor offense, then they may not feel anything is wrong and just realize it later in life. I don't think that's possible with rape, because it hurts a lot, and it will devastate the child and as a parent you should notice it. The only way this could happen, must be if it is the parent who does it or if the kid has been groomed over a long time.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Well, I meant how do we know that a person has done anything before?

    I think a child could choose not to tell if it is more a minor offense, then they may not feel anything is wrong and just realize it later in life. I don't think that's possible with rape, because it hurts a lot, and it will devastate the child and as a parent you should notice it. The only way this could happen, must be if it is the parent who does it or if the kid has been groomed over a long time.
    The only way this could happen, must be if it is the parent who does it or if the kid has been groomed over a long time.
    which is exactly what happens in very many cases. most of the time, the offender knows their victim very well. there's too much evidence showing that child molestors don't just do it once.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Well, I meant how do we know that a person has done anything before?
    See research above.

    I think a child could choose not to tell if it is more a minor offense, then they may not feel anything is wrong and just realize it later in life. I don't think that's possible with rape, because it hurts a lot, and it will devastate the child and as a parent you should notice it.
    Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute

    Children seldom tell. Those millions of children are a secret. They are the secret in family after family after family. Even adult survivors of childhood sexual abuse seldom tell. What we do know from studies of adult men and women is that the number is at least three million. At least three million children are molested before they finish their 13th year. In 1998, there were 103,000 reported and confirmed cases of child molestation. For comparison, at the height of the polio epidemic that struck children in the 1950s, there were 21,000 cases reported in a year. For rubella, there were 57,000 cases reported. For child molestation, those numbers of reported and confirmed molestations are only the tip of the iceberg. For every case reported there are at least two and maybe three more cases that never get reported.

    That's why we may never know the exact number of child victims. We do know that if we use the conservative estimate that two in every ten little girls and one in every ten little boys are victims (based on the population reported in the 1999 U.S. Census statistical abstract) well over three million children are victims.
    You need to do more research on this subject before posting. Here's a good place to start if you want to understand child sexual molestation & pedophilia.

    http://www.childmolestationpreventio...pdfs/study.pdf

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    3.3% are ARRESTED FOR IT. There's a difference.

    CSOM Publications - Recidivism of Sex Offenders

    You know, anyone could make a mistake and accidently find his penis in a 2 year old. Allowances should be granted for first time offenders.

    /sarcasm

    See the above synthesis of research studies on the subject. Research on convicted child molesters indicates that the average offender has over 100 victims. You're right...rape is a serious offense, and most sex offenders have ways of terrorizing the victim to keep him/her from talking. Your post represents zero understanding of this subject.

    In point of facts, 84% of the time, rape is NOT reported when it occurs, and the rates are higher for non-reporting of child rape. Victimization may not be discovered for years. That doesn't mean that serious harm wasn't done.
    If those numbers are correct, then there is seriously something wrong with policing. The average dude has 100 victims before getting caught. Obviously the problem here isn't the punishments, but that no one get caught.

    Allright, catch more pedophiles and I keep my point. In general first timers should get another chance.

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    Re: Should all child molesters be castrated before leaving prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    how do i know? because many, many times when someone is caught prior crimes surface. and the reason children don't tell is because they're the perfect victims, they are easily manipulated and scared.

    btw, 3.3% are REARRESTED....that certainly doesn't mean they didn't reoffend. jeez.
    So we should put some people in jail for crimes they might commit in the future that they won't even be arrested for?

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