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    Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    As in:

    What benefits, if any, do they provide for schools?

    What problems, if any, do they cause for schools?
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    As in:

    What benefits, if any, do they provide for schools?

    What problems, if any, do they cause for schools?
    I'm pretty sure you know there are no benefits to the schools. Teacher's unions are not formed to benefit schools, they're formed to benefit teachers. In the same way Firemen unions are formed to benefit fireman.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    As in:

    What benefits, if any, do they provide for schools?

    What problems, if any, do they cause for schools?
    Unions in general are not there to benefit the company there are there to benefit the employee who are members of that union as Winnb stated. I think unions are a good thing assuming they are not trying to get health insurance for paper pushers(and others whose job does not pose a health risk) and other insane benefits.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What benefits, if any, do they provide for schools?
    None. Parasites never benefit their host victim.

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    What problems, if any, do they cause for schools?
    Making it nearly impossible to fire crappy teachers. Making it difficult for better teachers to get paid more than bad teachers. Reducing the incentive for genuinely talented people from becoming teachers in the first place. Costing the taxpayers an arm and a leg. Making it difficult to make necessary structural adjustments, such as making the school year longer.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Teachers in places that have no teacher unions are treated rather badly--badly enough that some talented teachers don't want to work in such places. Those who do are often tied to spouses whose jobs keep them there.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    depends.

    if you're a teacher, they're great.

    If you're a taxpayer that isn't a teacher, they suck royally.

    If you're a student being taught in a goonionized school, you're probably getting a substandard education.

    If you're a politician, you're in sweet if you kiss teacher goonion ass.

    All a matter of perspective.

    As a citizen, parent, taxpayer, and patriot, all goonions suck, and teacher goonions are outright harmful.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unions in general are not there to benefit the company there are there to benefit the employee who are members of that union as Winnb stated. I think unions are a good thing assuming they are not trying to get health insurance for paper pushers(and others whose job does not pose a health risk) and other insane benefits.
    Not all teachers are paper pushers. I don't know much about the details of the education system, but maybe administrative personnel should have separate unions from actual educators. That way, it can be better determined exactly who gets how much money, and more money can go to actual teachers than to bureaucrats in the school system.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    depends.

    if you're a teacher, they're great.
    I know several teachers who detest their union. To clarify your post:

    if you're a bad teacher, they're great.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    None. Parasites never benefit their host victim.



    Making it nearly impossible to fire crappy teachers. Making it difficult for better teachers to get paid more than bad teachers. Reducing the incentive for genuinely talented people from becoming teachers in the first place. Costing the taxpayers an arm and a leg. Making it difficult to make necessary structural adjustments, such as making the school year longer.
    On the other hand, teachers isn't exactly a "results oriented" occupation. Teachers can't force students to learn. The only students who learn are those who want to. Also, many teachers have their hands tied on how they can teach. Not every student learns the same way, which is why we need schools to be able to teach using different kinds of methods. It's not fair to punish teachers if it's the policies of the school board or the stubbornness of the students that are causing students to fail.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Not all teachers are paper pushers. I don't know much about the details of the education system, but maybe administrative personnel should have separate unions from actual educators. That way, it can be better determined exactly who gets how much money, and more money can go to actual teachers than to bureaucrats in the school system.
    Administrative personnel are "management" and should not have goonions at all.

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