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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm not a supporter of democracy.
    Not in its simplist form but in a limited form i would hope you do...

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I know. Its the nature of government. Everyone wants everything and noone wants to pay for it.

    But I think in this case it is better than a private setup would be since not everyone can afford to pay in equally and you will have issues with different students being educated to different standards. That goes on now with different districts having different funding and such, but its not as bad as it otherwise would be.
    As a fellow Georgian, I hope your wife does well.

    The schools here, at least in my opinion, are terrible.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Not in its simplist form but in a limited form i would hope you do...
    Not really, maybe a very limited democracy but not when majority populations are empowered.

    To many opportunities of exploitation.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Thank you for your well wishes and I know what you mean. One day she got a shirt with a 67.6 in big bold letters on the back. When I asked what it was, she said "its our graduation rate, it went up last year and everyone is proud." I looked at her and she said "I know, it sucks."

    Of course, I am in the sticks. A system like (North) Fulton county's is much better. Again, a lot depends on local funding.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thank you for your well wishes and I know what you mean. One day she got a shirt with a 67.6 in big bold letters on the back. When I asked what it was, she said "its our graduation rate, it went up last year and everyone is proud." I looked at her and she said "I know, it sucks."
    I lived west of Atlanta and most of the high schools here are concerned with football and not much else.

    My local elementary school has consistently failed to meet AYP.
    The budget cuts this year are pretty big too.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Of course, I am in the sticks. A system like (North) Fulton county's is much better. Again, a lot depends on local funding.
    I do as well, North Fulton is a pretty nice place.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They already have an avenue to do this, their employer is already under their control to some extent, they can vote.

    Essentially they are allowed to do more than just lobby for better benefits, they can lobby to get laws changed to benefit their industry at large.
    If you're talking about limiting the abilities of unions to lobby and politick, I'm with you--as long as other entities like corporations are limited by the same restrictions. But everyone, it seems, has the right to lobby government. There are tax-payer groups who do the same thing.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Not to the degree you would think. A Union is a Simple form of Democracy..If Corps can have rights so should the employees. I say more Unions are needed not less.
    I'm all for unions, when the following conditions are met:

    1) The employer owns the job, hence gets to decide who works where, and who gets fired. Non-performing workers, including incompetent teachers, can be fired at any time. The city of New York has hundreds of teachers paid full salary while basically in "detention", because they're not allowed to teach students.

    2) Employers can permanently replace people who are supposed to be working but are out on the sidewalk marching in circles carrying signs.

    3) Criminal charges are filed and prosecuted for every act of violence any union member engages in.

    4) Union elections are by sealed secret ballot only.

    5) Workers at a company have the freedom to not be in the union.

    6) Union dues are collected for political purposes are subject to refund to the union member when the union endorses and finances political candidates the union member opposes. Union members should receive a quarterly statement specifying exactly where their dues money goes, so the political activities can be seen.

    Then I'll support unions.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    If you're talking about limiting the abilities of unions to lobby and politick, I'm with you--as long as other entities like corporations are limited by the same restrictions. But everyone, it seems, has the right to lobby government. There are tax-payer groups who do the same thing.
    There's nothing wrong with groups, companies, and goonions from exercising their First Amendment freedoms. It's how America works.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    If you're talking about limiting the abilities of unions to lobby and politick, I'm with you--as long as other entities like corporations are limited by the same restrictions. But everyone, it seems, has the right to lobby government. There are tax-payer groups who do the same thing.
    The problem I find is that people, generally, equate higher teachers salaries with better teachers.

    In many or most places, teachers are paid pretty well but I hear a constant barrage of "teachers need raises" when the rest of the world operates on the merit based system.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The problem I find is that people, generally, equate higher teachers salaries with better teachers.

    In many or most places, teachers are paid pretty well but I hear a constant barrage of "teachers need raises" when the rest of the world operates on the merit based system.
    the merit based system does not work in education because the product is not a direct product of a teacher's pedagogy. It's a combination of what the student wants to achieve, their ambition, their own motivation, along with what the teacher has provided in pedagogy.

    If you can solve the problem of measuring the quality of education from student to student, along with all those confounding variables I just listed, then I would have no problem with a merit based system.
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    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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