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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So if you have stock in a company, you shouldn't form a union?
    We are talking about 2 different things, companies can not force people to buy their products.

    As taxpayers are a captive audience to schools, they have to buy it whether or not they agree with it.
    Giving the employees double the power to possibly force people to buy more of their product is unethical.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They already had representation in government, now they have double representation that can boost their job benefits at the expense of everyone else without merit.
    They already had representation in Government??? As in a Senator? The Senator represents them on a State or Federal Level depending on the Senator( U.S Senator or State Senator). However neither has real say in the day to day actions of a Govt Office. Unions are valuable asset.

    Back to teachers...I don't think many like the Federal Board of Education is a good thing in the eyes of teachers. All in all teachers have benefitted from their Union.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    We are talking about 2 different things, companies can not force people to buy their products.
    You can homeschool, use a private school, a church school, and if you are in the right district, go to a charter school.

    In other news, I am voting other since my wife plans to be a teacher and has worked for the school system in the past, so I am biased.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    You can homeschool, use a private school, a church school, and if you are in the right district, go to a charter school.
    Even though I home school my son, I still have to buy the services of a government school, even though I don't use it at all.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    They already had representation in Government??? As in a Senator? The Senator represents them on a State or Federal Level depending on the Senator( U.S Senator or State Senator). However neither has real say in the day to day actions of a Govt Office. Unions are valuable asset.

    Back to teachers...I don't think many like the Federal Board of Education is a good thing in the eyes of teachers. All in all teachers have benefitted from their Union.
    Their Senators, Reps and those on the state level do influence things related to day to day interactions.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Even though I home school my son, I still have to buy the services of a government school, even though I don't use it at all.
    Good point there. But I have seen what goes on at a public school day to day. From what I have seen, most parents are quite unreasonable in their demands from teachers and administrative staff. So, I can't blame teachers for wanting some protection to get some free space to simply do their job.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Their Senators, Reps and those on the state level do influence things related to day to day interactions.
    Not to the degree you would think. A Union is a Simple form of Democracy..If Corps can have rights so should the employees. I say more Unions are needed not less.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Good point there. But I have seen what goes on at a public school day to day. From what I have seen, most parents are quite unreasonable in their demands from teachers and administrative staff. So, I can't blame teachers for wanting some protection.
    I understand that, that's why I can't begin to support federal and state governments in education.

    There are to many competing interests, which usually come at the expense of the children.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Not to the degree you would think. A Union is a Simple form of Democracy..If Corps can have rights so should the employees. I say more Unions are needed not less.
    Personally I don't agree with most unions and I'm not a supporter of democracy.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that, that's why I can't begin to support federal and state governments in education.

    There are to many competing interests, which usually come at the expense of the children.
    I know. Its the nature of government. Everyone wants everything and noone wants to pay for it.

    But I think in this case it is better than a private setup would be since not everyone can afford to pay in equally and you will have issues with different students being educated to different standards. That goes on now with different districts having different funding and such, but its not as bad as it otherwise would be.

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