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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Only if you think education should be a priority for our country.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Union reps are elected, no?
    I owe you an answer on this. My guess is that they are.

    My other guess is that these two teachers are the only ones who want to run the local teacher's union because they need it.

    Without it, they would be fired.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only if you think education should be a priority for our country.
    Why are teachers' unions good if you think education should be a priority? How do teachers' unions benefit our education system?
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Why are teachers' unions good if you think education should be a priority? How do teachers' unions benefit our education system?
    Recently with this economic crisis my university attempted to balance the budget on the backs of their teachers (among others); the teachers' union was able to prevent this.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Recently with this economic crisis my university attempted to balance the budget on the backs of their teachers (among others); the teachers' union was able to prevent this.
    And why is it a good thing for the education system that your university was unable to balance its budget in the way that it felt was the most efficient?
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    And why is it a good thing for the education system that your university was unable to balance its budget in the way that it felt was the most efficient?
    Because "the way that it felt was the most efficient" isn't in the best interests of education (to go back to another's argument).
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by kansaswhig View Post
    I owe you an answer on this. My guess is that they are.

    My other guess is that these two teachers are the only ones who want to run the local teacher's union because they need it.

    Without it, they would be fired.
    That's one explanation (and maybe its the right one). But neither of us really knows the quality of these two teachers' work--you heard it from someone else and we heard it from you. That's double hearsay--not particularly good evidence of anything.

    On the other hand, we do know that the positions are elected, so the teachers in this school trusted these two people to handle those responsibilities. If they really were incompetent, sounds like the teachers in that school (including the person reporting this information to you) didn't value their union very much. That says more than anything.

    One thing is for sure, whoever told you this could have remedied the situation by running for the office herself.

    BTW, there may be advantages to being shop steward or whatever, but avoiding termination isn't really one of them--the protections of the union go to everyone in the bargaining unit. Even if we accept your premise as true, though, it is curious why all the OTHER teachers would help to protect incompetents by electing them to positions of responsibility.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    That's one explanation (and maybe its the right one). But neither of us really knows the quality of these two teachers' work--you heard it from someone else and we heard it from you. That's double hearsay--not particularly good evidence of anything.
    Well, it came from my mother. I don't know why she would lie to me. It's a small school district with less than 30 teachers.

    On the other hand, we do know that the positions are elected, so the teachers in this school trusted these two people to handle those responsibilities.
    Like I said, I would assume that it's the poorest teachers that value the unions because they know the union protects their job.

    If they really were incompetent, sounds like the teachers in that school (including the person reporting this information to you) didn't value their union very much. That says more than anything.
    The incompetents love the union. My mother, on the other hand, doesn't think much of it.

    One thing is for sure, whoever told you this could have remedied the situation by running for the office herself.
    Mom would never be a union rep because according to her the union is "full of bullies that could care less about education".

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Probably not. If you look at the things schools are doing in order to reform schools (standardized curricula that take lesson planning out of the hands of teachers, for example), they generally take the opportunity to BE good out of the hands of classroom teachers.
    I have absolutely nothing against standardized curricula that requires certain standards of what is taught. It ought not tell an individual teacher how to teach that material however, which means good teachers can still do good work and bad teachers ought to be exposed for the bad work they do. There needs to be minimum standards that apply across the board to all schools everywhere.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    No they don't, that is decided by the state (if it is a public school).
    But many Teachers Unions buy influence with state educational boards and state governments. That's the problem with California these days, the unions have such an absurd influence over government decisions because they use so much of their money buying off politicians, that you can be sure the unions get whatever they want.

    It was so bad in last year's budget debates that even though legislators were locked in until they came up with a budget, they got to leave the chambers to confer with their union bosses and get the skinny on what they could and could not do.
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