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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hello?

    You can bet your ass that the company paying those benefits counts every single penny of them.

    And, gee, did I say 40 a year? No, I said 40 an hour.

    Hmm....let's see....what IS a fair wage for a screw turner....minimum wage?

    Yeah, that's fair, since no skills are needed.

    How many line workers in the UAW are paid mininum wage?
    yr was a typo...get over it.

    minimum wage?? Yet a CEO of a Corp losing money gets multi million is fair??? LMAO Denial must be a great state of mind for Repubs...

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, the sympathetic article doesn't go into any details and wants to pretend all these people are as pure as the driven snow.

    Fact of the matter is the goonions prevent the dismissal of these people, which is what would happen in the real world outside of goonionland, where employees are actually expected to produce something for their wages.
    No the FACT is they are innocent until PROVEN guilty. They deserve a paycheck UNTIL PROVEN guilty at which time they can be held accountable in a court of law.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Wrong. There are hundreds of teachers in California who are paid full salaries to sit around all day and do nothing because the union will not allow them to be fired and the schools will not allow them to teach. There are some who have been sitting in empty classrooms daily for 5 years or more now and the latest development is they aren't being required to show up at school, they just call in the morning to say they're "working" and again in the evening to say they're done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do you have any back up for that astounding and unbelievable assertion, or did it just get plucked out of thin air?
    I was thinking about the NYC situation that Scarecrow mentions, but that's not California. One of the most common illegitimate debating tactics is to cite an isolated problem and make it seem widespread. I suspect there are lots of situations in NYC that are not typical of the whole country.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Wrong. There are hundreds of teachers in California who are paid full salaries to sit around all day and do nothing because the union will not allow them to be fired and the schools will not allow them to teach. There are some who have been sitting in empty classrooms daily for 5 years or more now and the latest development is they aren't being required to show up at school, they just call in the morning to say they're "working" and again in the evening to say they're done.
    We have no such conditions in Virginia. Perhaps you should get involved locally with the PTA.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I don't blame the teachers for the failure of students. That's entirely the parents' fault.

    My problem is that public school teachers are generally overcompensated and hard to terminate. Unionization and labor laws have served to insulate them from the pressure of the free market.
    I agree with both points...
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have no such conditions in Virginia. Perhaps you should get involved locally with the PTA.
    The PTA has no control whatsoever over the unions.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    I was thinking about the NYC situation that Scarecrow mentions, but that's not California. One of the most common illegitimate debating tactics is to cite an isolated problem and make it seem widespread. I suspect there are lots of situations in NYC that are not typical of the whole country.
    There are lots of situations EVERYWHERE that are not typical of the whole country, but people usually only care about situations that affect them directly. I'm not affected by what happens in NYC, I am, however, affected by what happens in California. Just because different unions are causing different problems in different places doesn't mean the common cause of all of them isn't the same: the unions.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The PTA has no control whatsoever over the unions.
    They do with the Virginia Education Association.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I agree with both points...
    Good to know...

    I'm all for good teachers making more money. I just wish we could separate the good ones from the bad; I think labor laws make this exceedingly difficult, though...

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There are lots of situations EVERYWHERE that are not typical of the whole country, but people usually only care about situations that affect them directly. I'm not affected by what happens in NYC, I am, however, affected by what happens in California. Just because different unions are causing different problems in different places doesn't mean the common cause of all of them isn't the same: the unions.
    Well, then, terrific. Why not back up your original claim with some evidence? See, that's what people do when they want to be taken seriously.
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