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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The only problem with that is that when the kids go to multiculturalism class the good teacher will teach the definition of the subject and explain its significance, while the bad teacher will have the students get out their prayer rugs during Kwanzaa while while she talks about how Jesus was born a bastard.
    While I don't see the second being any worse than a teacher who does the reverse, talking up Christianity and telling kids that Muslims are murderers, the bad teachers need to be weeded out regardless. To be real honest, I don't see much need for a "multicultural" class to begin with. That ought to be taught as a part of the history curriculum.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Aren't they able to do that?
    Unfortunately no. In many cases, the employers are unable to legally fire striking employees, the best they can do is temporarily hire non-union workers to fill positions during negotiations.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I know of no mechanism to defend incompetent teachers. They are usually weeded out by the school administrators.
    Wrong. There are hundreds of teachers in California who are paid full salaries to sit around all day and do nothing because the union will not allow them to be fired and the schools will not allow them to teach. There are some who have been sitting in empty classrooms daily for 5 years or more now and the latest development is they aren't being required to show up at school, they just call in the morning to say they're "working" and again in the evening to say they're done.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, unions make America strong by artificially driving up the cost of doing business by demanding higher than market wages.

    I mean, look how well unionization worked for Detroit!
    Detroits problem was management not employees or Unions. GM 10 and a changing market brought havoc on Gm for example. Had nothing to do with the fine employees or their union but management..

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    When did Mary marry Joseph?

    Before or after Jesus's birth

    If after ( I cant remember it has been a long time) then he was a bastard
    It's a myth. Who cares?
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Except we don't get paid to bring our work back home. I have to work off the clock to create lesson plans, grade papers, call parents, etc. I work off the clock on average of 2-3 hours a day depending on how much homework I give out, and whether or not there was a test this week. Do I get paid overtime? No. Do I get any compensation for it? No.
    Many people do that. I did for years. When you work for salary and not hourly, you do the job, for as long as the job requires, without getting paid extra for doing it. I used to work 12 hour days and then bring paperwork home for another 2-3 hours a night, 6 days a week and never got an extra penny for it. That's the choice you make when you take a salaried job.

    And if I had a choice, I rather work during the summer. I have to save up enough money throughout the year so I can break even in those horrible 3 months of no income.
    Nothing stops you from getting a job for the summer or trying to teach summer school. You don't *HAVE* to take that time off if you don't want to.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Wrong. There are hundreds of teachers in California who are paid full salaries to sit around all day and do nothing because the union will not allow them to be fired and the schools will not allow them to teach. There are some who have been sitting in empty classrooms daily for 5 years or more now and the latest development is they aren't being required to show up at school, they just call in the morning to say they're "working" and again in the evening to say they're done.
    Do you have any back up for that astounding and unbelievable assertion, or did it just get plucked out of thin air?
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    Detroits problem was management not employees or Unions. GM 10 and a changing market brought havoc on Gm for example. Had nothing to do with the fine employees or their union but management..
    Yeah, paying men to turn screws for $40 an hour had absolutely nothing to do with the exorbitant costs of the cars GM produces and hence nothing to do with the refusal of people to buy them.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, paying men to turn screws for $40 an hour had absolutely nothing to do with the exorbitant costs of the cars GM produces and hence nothing to do with the refusal of people to buy them.
    Not to mention, the unions have a stranglehold on whole industries. As an example, the Longshoreman union. Try getting into that one. You practically need to inherit a job.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Do you have any back up for that astounding and unbelievable assertion, or did it just get plucked out of thin air?
    Teachers on 'detention' get full pay | Staten Island Featured Entries - Breaking News - - SILive.com

    Every school day, about 100 Staten Island teachers and other staff clock in for work, sit down and entertain themselves in whatever way they can.
    That might mean surfing the Web on a laptop, doing a crossword puzzle, chatting with a colleague or just staring at the wall -- basically, anything that doesn't involve education.

    This is what goes on inside of the Department of Education's 14 "temporary reassignment centers," where teachers, principals and other school staff who have been accused of wrongdoing wait months, sometimes years, while getting a full salary, benefits and paid sick days.


    Often called "rubber rooms" because those trapped inside are bouncing off the walls in boredom, the centers have been around since the 1990s and are holding pens for teachers awaiting a hearing. On Staten Island, they sit day after day at 1 Edgewater Plaza, in a building with a pleasant view of the Narrows. Citywide, the number of staffers in rubber rooms is an estimated 550.

    The allegations vary greatly: A teacher who got on a principal's bad side could be seated alongside a teacher accused of having sex with a student.


    One of the most recent additions is Dolores Rabins, a school psychologist at Totten Intermediate School, Tottenville, who is still earning her $98,341 salary, even after having been accused of bilking two victims of as much as $1 million in an alleged Ponzi scheme, court documents show.

    But no matter the case, just about everyone in the rubber room spends months twiddling their thumbs, trying to pass the time without even knowing why they're there or whether they'll get back into the classroom.

    And with the slumping economy, the threat of teacher layoffs and extreme budget cuts at schools, many outside the system are wondering why they're paying taxes for teachers to languish while still collecting a paycheck.

    "There's dead wood sitting in those rooms collecting an average of $70,000 a year," said a special ed teacher on Staten Island who was told not to order certain supplies last year because her school couldn't afford it. "Don't tell me I can't have copy paper while other teachers are sitting on their butts playing mahjong."

    One teacher, who taught social studies, said he was in the former Staten Island rubber room -- at the Petrides Educational Complex in Sunnyside -- for nearly six months before he was presented with charges of stealing money from the school, an allegation he refuted. The teacher, who asked not to be named, said it was miserable to come in every day and listen to teachers joke about how happy they were to be getting paid for doing nothing while awaiting their hearings.

    "I thought, 'This is just ridiculous -- I have to get out of here,'" he said. "I just brought my Walkman and my newspapers and I sat in a corner and didn't talk to anyone."

    Worse, he watched the room get more and more crowded as teachers' hearings continued to drag on.

    "There we were in a small, little room," he said. "Once you were there, you didn't want to get up because, if you did, you would lose your seat."
    Eventually, he was reassigned to another school. But it wasn't easy to get acclimated there.

    "You know, rumors fly," he said. "But fortunately I'm in a situation where the principal likes me and the assistant principal likes me and things are good now."

    Since he was in the reassignment center a few years ago, some things have changed. The center moved to Edgewater Plaza to accommodate more people. While the former reassignment center housed about 30 teachers from Staten Island, the new center has about 100 teachers from Staten Island and Brooklyn.


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