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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Unions have become their own bureaucracy, whose primary function is the continuance of its own, expense account padded existence.

    I once, years ago, started a petition at a place I worked to get rid of the do nothing union we had there. I started getting calls from the union rep at all hours, and veiled threats, plus hysterics on the part of the woman.

    Challenging unions is scary.
    There was a point when a union represented a specific workplace. Now, most are regional or national in size, they have no particular stake in any single workplace or any particular set of workers, they are businesses in their own right and look out for their own interests.

    Certainly I can understand how crazy unions can get, my wife works for a non-union shop and the union has sent goons to damage trucks, has broken into the office and stolen computers (all on tape, of course), etc. This is not at all uncommon.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    One of the highest paid teachers at my old high-school was a driver's ed teacher. The man was a complete fool.
    A couple of my daughter's middle school teachers are uncouth, fat slobs who snack on junkfood all day, in front of the class. They behave like unrefined lowbrows, and are basically boorish bullies.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Because "the way that it felt was the most efficient" isn't in the best interests of education (to go back to another's argument).
    How do you know? Did you analyze their budget? And more importantly, why would the union know or care? If laying off workers WAS in the best interest of education,I'm pretty sure the unions would still opppose it.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    By providing bargaining power to retain our best teachers (as well as attract new ones) against politicians who decide that they have other priorities than providing quality education.
    And does the union ONLY defend the best teachers, or do they defend the incompetents also?
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's debatable.
    What do you define as well educated then? Most people in the USA do not have a college education, and teachers, at least in CA and other high standard places, have a four year degree and a teaching credential specific to their field. I would say that it is not debatable at all.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I have absolutely nothing against standardized curricula that requires certain standards of what is taught. It ought not tell an individual teacher how to teach that material however, which means good teachers can still do good work and bad teachers ought to be exposed for the bad work they do. There needs to be minimum standards that apply across the board to all schools everywhere.
    The only problem with that is that when the kids go to multiculturalism class the good teacher will teach the definition of the subject and explain its significance, while the bad teacher will have the students get out their prayer rugs during Kwanzaa while while she talks about how Jesus was born a bastard.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And does the union ONLY defend the best teachers, or do they defend the incompetents also?
    Large collectives have to act on rules and procedures that can be revised only sparingly, and only with great effort, over a long period of time if the organization is to be effective in any sense at all. It is inevitable some people will exploit those longstanding rules and procedures to not live up to their highest potential. 'Incompetent' is a very relativistic notion anyway.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There was a point when a union represented a specific workplace. Now, most are regional or national in size, they have no particular stake in any single workplace or any particular set of workers, they are businesses in their own right and look out for their own interests.
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    When goonions are organized internationally, they're not even guaranteed to have an interest in the health of the United States.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
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    When goonions are organized internationally, they're not even guaranteed to have an interest in the health of the United States.
    Domestic unions don't have an interest in the health of the United States. It's just an obligation they sometimes have to deal with.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The issue lies with student motivation and lack of parental involvement.
    Only partially.

    The teachers have control of the PTAs, for example, and the PTA has devolved into nothing but female parents kissing teacher ass.

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    [I]Prospective teachers who took state teacher licensing exams from 2002 to 2005 scored higher on SATs in high school and earned higher grades in college than their counterparts who took the exams in the mid-1990s, the report said.
    They've been dumbing down the SAT's for decades.

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    The percentage of candidates reporting a 3.5 GPA or higher rose from 27% to 40%
    It's called Grade Inflation.

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    The college grades of prospective teachers has also improved. About 40 percent of the prospective teachers taking the licensing tests from 2002 to 2005 had a grade point average of 3.5 or higher on the traditional 4-point scale during college, up from 26 percent in the 1990s, the report said.
    Yeah, I kinda figured the grades "improved" when you said the per centage of 3.5 GPA rose.

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