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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes I am. I'm also factoring in the number of BMWs in the teacher parking lots at my kid's schools.
    60k is a good salary, it's not great. not a bmw salary, certainly.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    primarily for the teachers
    at least according to this recent study:
    Contrary to many past studies on teachers' unions ... I find unions have no effect on teacher pay. I also present evidence teacher unionization causes an increase in full-time teacher employment of about 5 percent, a negligible decrease in student-teacher ratios, and only has a short-run positive effect on current operating expenditures per student.
    I estimate the impact of unions on high school dropout rates using 1970-1990 U.S. Census school district summary data and find little evidence that unions affect this outcome measure. However, I am unable to determine with my data whether similar results would be found for other achievement measures that include more students from higher portions of the ability distribution.
    The results and conclusions of this analysis raise a puzzle: why do teachers bother to organize, especially at the high rates observed in the data, given the lack of wage and class size effects? One possible answer to this puzzle is teachers perceive organization increases their pay. Indeed, when talking to union members during this study, wage increases were the most commonly mentioned benefit of unionization, in contrast to what this analysis shows. Another important reason for unionizing is to give teachers a voice with which to improve their working conditions as well as to establish well-defined rules governing hiring and firing, pay structure and promotion. There is anecdotal evidence teachers' unions provide these benefits ..., although I lack the data to test for such effects. Finally, unionization may increase non-wage benefits such as pensions or health care that are valued by teachers. Unionization thus can infuence how satisfied teachers are with their job, and consequently, may affect parent and student satisfaction with their school district.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    60k is a good salary, it's not great. not a bmw salary, certainly.
    AMEN..I think their contracts should expire the last month they teach for the year. Here if the strike it effects the begining of the school year after the got a paid summer off. They look at their degree as a reason to make 100,000 a yr. Claim its for the children..NOT.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes I am. I'm also factoring in the number of BMWs in the teacher parking lots at my kid's schools.
    Most of the nicer cars that teachers own are as a result of a second income from a spouse that is a professional. I know a male teacher here whos wife is a top doctor, there are many of these cases. It is a matter of perspective, but if you have your mind made up, then there is not much to discuss...
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Most of the nicer cars that teachers own are as a result of a second income from a spouse that is a professional. I know a male teacher here whos wife is a top doctor, there are many of these cases. It is a matter of perspective, but if you have your mind made up, then there is not much to discuss...
    It's not a matter of perspective, it's a fact that these people are not struggling to get by, which is what you were arguing.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not a matter of perspective, it's a fact that these people are not struggling to get by, which is what you were arguing.
    Is that what we're arguing? Who said "struggling to get by?" These are people with college degrees, and so they should be compared to other similarly educated workers.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by pugetsoundwa View Post
    AMEN..I think their contracts should expire the last month they teach for the year. Here if the strike it effects the begining of the school year after the got a paid summer off. They look at their degree as a reason to make 100,000 a yr. Claim its for the children..NOT.
    Wow! $100K? Who suggested teachers should make that much? Obviously that's not going to happen, but who has even suggested it? Can you find a quote from a union official using that number in a serious context?

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    primarily for the teachers
    at least according to this recent study:
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    http://www.nctq.org/docs/effect_of_teachers'_unions.pdf
    When teacher salaries are pushed up by unions in one place, they tend to raise teacher salaries elsewhere as well.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    Wow! $100K? Who suggested teachers should make that much? Obviously that's not going to happen, but who has even suggested it? Can you find a quote from a union official using that number in a serious context?
    Not from a union but many teachers think that. they see their neighbors with a Master degree doing better and get jealous..they are over paid now as it is.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rassales View Post
    When teacher salaries are pushed up by unions in one place, they tend to raise teacher salaries elsewhere as well.
    I personally don't have a problem with teacher salaries. They are well educated, work hard, and put up with a lot of BS.

    My problem is when unions try to shape policy, protect incompetents, and continue to skim money with closed shops that force workers to pay union dues. They then turn to use these dues to further, usually, liberal political agendas, scratching the backs of politicians who work for the continued existence of the unions, who continue to fleece the workers.

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