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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No you will just give them your version of reality and priorities that you have expressed here!

    Be afraid kids, be very afraid!
    Yes, I'll tell them the truth, since the truth is my version of reality.

    Ya think maybe I should make sure they get into schools where the teachers force the kids to sing "Obama mmmm mmmm mmmmm"?

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

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    Dues will go up if goonion members aren't charged for goonion political activities they disagree with?

    This some kind of Magical Mystical Messiah Mathematics, like the kind that claims the government can pick up thirty million uninsured people and not spend more money?
    Nice spin, I was talking about the quarterly statement costing money to report,print and mail. That would cost money.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    Nice spin, I was talking about the quarterly statement costing money to report,print and mail. That would cost money.
    Your failure to clearly state your ideas isn't "spin" on my part, it's your failure.

    The cost of printing such statements is minor, and if someone wants to be in a goonion, he should pay for it.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Unions are what made America strong, its odd but not surprising that Repubs hate them although we all benefit from having had them in the fabric of America...Buy Union...Look for the Union Label...

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Fact of the matter is, not everyone can be a hedge fund manager.

    Practically anyone can teach a kid how to read, and most parents do a better job that most schools. Both my kids were reading before they went to kindergarten.
    Mine too, but only because they are surrounded by books and print and people reading. That's not true for the majority of children.
    Practially anyone can teach a child arithmatic, and parents that make the effort do a vastly better job than a goonionized teacher.
    Maybe, but the academic requirements for 7-12 grade math teachers in my state START with calculus and go up from there.

    I'm not sure ANYONE can teach their child to read and write, certainly not to the end of 10th grade. Parents with sufficient education can (but only about 25% of American adults have college degrees). Of course, people with the right education can be hedge-fund managers, too.

    But you're talking about teaching your own child, one-on-one. Public school teachers have to educate other people's children, 30 or so at a time. A very different thing.

    If teaching were so easy, so well paid, and such a great scam, more people would do it. Fact: it takes 3-5 years to become an effective teacher, but about half of those who enter the profession at the training stage quit and do something else before the end of their fifth year teaching.

    I'll trust my ability to teach my kids the truth about the Constitution and American history over any just about any mass-produced employee in the Propaganda Factories. After all, I won't lie to my child.
    All you're really saying here is that you'd teach them in light of your own political views. That's your right, but you can't expect an institution that everyone pays for to teach YOUR values to everyone.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yup, in California, the average teacher makes nearly $60k, thanks to their absurd union. And no, they don't deserve it.
    California teachers face one problem not common throughout the states--the number of limited English proficiency students. Take a look at the API scores of any set of schools, then compare the percentage of students in poverty and the percentage of English language learners. There's a remarkable correspondence between those numbers.

    I will say that California teachers take a larger percentage of school appropriations than is true in other states (i.e., teacher salaries are greater in comparison to other expenses like supplies, property upkeep, etc.).

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    ALL unions are good AND bad... wroking conditions and such are improved, but dead weight can be hard to get rid off. For people to be against unions completely is nuts, it is as if they have no idea what conditions were like prior to unions. Can unions be monsters and is there a negative side, yes. Was life better before unions in the Industrial Revolution and in places like China or Indonesia now... **** no. It is, as with most things, about balance.
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Originally Posted by Cephus
    Yup, in California, the average teacher makes nearly $60k, thanks to their absurd union. And no, they don't deserve it.
    Are you factoring in cost of living to your disgust, because I taught in CA and made close to that amount and we lived pretty meagerly...
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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm all for unions, when the following conditions are met:

    1) The employer owns the job, hence gets to decide who works where, and who gets fired. Non-performing workers, including incompetent teachers, can be fired at any time. The city of New York has hundreds of teachers paid full salary while basically in "detention", because they're not allowed to teach students.
    The right to strike is pretty central to labor law. Without it, employees have pretty much no leverage over their employers. The conditions of workers before the right to strike was established were pretty bad. Do you really want to go back to those days?
    2) Employers can permanently replace people who are supposed to be working but are out on the sidewalk marching in circles carrying signs.
    See above.
    3) Criminal charges are filed and prosecuted for every act of violence any union member engages in.
    Criminal acts are criminal acts. Let's make sure that employers are also charged when the violence is on their side. One of the reasons unions ended up with the "goon" reputation you like to propound here is that employers hired their own goons to break up lawful strikes (ever hear of the Pinkertons?).
    4) Union elections are by sealed secret ballot only.
    Agreed.
    5) Workers at a company have the freedom to not be in the union.
    Mostly true now. Some workers are required to pay for those elements of union activity from which they benefit (collective bargaining, conflict resolution) but they mostly don't have to be members or pay full dues.
    6) Union dues are collected for political purposes are subject to refund to the union member when the union endorses and finances political candidates the union member opposes.
    Already true. They just have to write each year to ask for their contributions not to be used for politics.

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    Re: Are Teacher Unions a good thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Are you factoring in cost of living to your disgust, because I taught in CA and made close to that amount and we lived pretty meagerly...
    Yes I am. I'm also factoring in the number of BMWs in the teacher parking lots at my kid's schools.
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