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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are pretty cocky for someone that wasn't even aware that our top tax rate used to be 90%. Please review again the income tax history provided earlier by mbig ~

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058560070

    Notice the date income taxes began - 1913 and what the rates were. FDR's first term began in 1933.



    I didn't say it was the biggest, I said it was the most wasteful.



    Not according to the rule of law.



    Again, you need to review our tax history. As Daniel Patrick Moynihan pointed out, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."


    I tire of your lies and your dishonesty

    I certainly knew that dems jacked the top rate to 90% though some will argue that the effective rates will be higher under Bambi if they go up to the 46% some want

    I also was correct that for most of our country's history there was no income tax.

    and a top marginal rate of 7% doesn't mean people paid a total rate of 7% either
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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I tire of your lies and your dishonesty
    Well, let's examine those insults:

    I certainly knew that dems jacked the top rate to 90% though some will argue that the effective rates will be higher under Bambi if they go up to the 46% some want
    First of all, I doubt we've ever had 70% on top income brackets, hell, even Canada stops at 50%.
    I also was correct that for most of our country's history there was no income tax. and a top marginal rate of 7% doesn't mean people paid a total rate of 7% either
    And I never said it did.

    So where are the lies and dishonesty, except in your accusations against me?
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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    statists labor under the delusion that taxpayers have a duty to pay more and more as long as the government spends. One of the best reasons for tax cuts is to starve the beast (assuming the statists are right that tax cuts decrease revenue)
    It doesn't "starve the beast." When have tax cuts EVER resulted in lower spending? They just run up the deficit and (if left unchecked for long enough) eventually bankrupt the nation. Now I'm not one of those people who believes that the United States is anywhere close to the verge of bankruptcy, but it's fiscally irresponsible to habitually run high deficits year after year, even when the economy is booming.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    given the sad fact that net tax consumers will always vote for more spending since they don't pay for it and given the sad fact that a minority pays most of the federal income taxes, expecting politicians who cater and pander to the parasite class to actually cut spending is a pipe dream
    If you accept the reality that overall spending cuts are unlikely, why would you want low taxes?
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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If you accept the reality that overall spending cuts are unlikely....
    This isnt a reality, this is a false premise designed to justify continually making excuses for deficits and for raising taxes.

    This sort of thinking only leads to fiscal, economic and social collapse. As these collapses will wipe out liberalism as we know it, I applaud your efforts to continue to spread your word.

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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well, let's examine those insults:







    And I never said it did.

    So where are the lies and dishonesty, except in your accusations against me?
    I don't recall ever mentioning canada so where did that come from?



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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This isnt a reality, this is a false premise designed to justify continually making excuses for deficits and for raising taxes.
    If you had bothered to read the post to which I replied instead of randomly interjecting yourself in the middle of a conversation as is your wont, you would see that I was replying to TurtleDude's post where *he* acknowledges that spending cuts are unlikely.

    If the political will does not exist to cut spending (and I agree with TurtleDude that it does not, based on the fact that it has NEVER been cut in 40 years), then the only logical solution is to pay for our expenditures instead of passing them on to future generations. I don't mind short-term deficit spending to get us through the tough economic times we're currently facing, but in the long term it's irresponsible to habitually run deficits.
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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    we cannot continue to keep expanding the government. the wealthy will leave or hide their assets as they did in Sweden. The only solution is to get judges who actually start enforcing the tenth amendment.

    Like it or not, the Dems started a program designed to create millions of people addicted to government entitlements and that malignancy has only spread



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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't recall ever mentioning canada so where did that come from?
    You are correct. I just checked. It was The Penguin that said that here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058560209

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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are correct. I just checked. It was The Penguin that said that here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-par...post1058560209

    I got my critters confused. My mistake and I apologize.
    No problem and thanks



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    Re: Should the 2001/2003 GWB cuts be extended?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we cannot continue to keep expanding the government. the wealthy will leave or hide their assets as they did in Sweden. The only solution is to get judges who actually start enforcing the tenth amendment.

    Like it or not, the Dems started a program designed to create millions of people addicted to government entitlements and that malignancy has only spread
    You are addressing 2 different subjects in your post, government spending, whether to have a progressive vs a regressive tax system.

    Government spending is not a function of the type of tax system we have.

    This can be easily demonstrated by our history when we had much higher taxes and much lower debt.

    Spending is determined on priorities of the electorate (we the people) and their representatives they vote into office.
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