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Thread: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

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    What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Its becoming increasing apartment that simply keep the Haitians from starving is not going to be a permanent or ideal solution. As most of their capital was destroyed they also need to engage in things such as rebuilding and reforming their government. The problem is they do not have the capacity to do either, neither the machines, resources, or technical know-how is present within the country. Also their government is for all practical purposes destroyed, the President was sleeping in the airport on waiting benches, their government builds are destroyed, many staff and officials are dead, there's no way to communicate with other aspects of the government such as police or military, and there's no way to stage an election.

    In the face of all this many Haitians are calling for the US to take over the country, permanently. Thoughts?

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its becoming increasing apartment that simply keep the Haitians from starving is not going to be a permanent or ideal solution. As most of their capital was destroyed they also need to engage in things such as rebuilding and reforming their government. The problem is they do not have the capacity to do either, neither the machines, resources, or technical know-how is present within the country. Also their government is for all practical purposes destroyed, the President was sleeping in the airport on waiting benches, their government builds are destroyed, many staff and officials are dead, there's no way to communicate with other aspects of the government such as police or military, and there's no way to stage an election.

    In the face of all this many Haitians are calling for the US to take over the country, permanently. Thoughts?

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    How does some area of land become a territory of the US?

    Can they ask to be accepted as such?

    I don't no ANYTHING about this.

    And your spell-check needs updating.
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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its becoming increasing apartment that simply keep the Haitians from starving is not going to be a permanent or ideal solution. As most of their capital was destroyed they also need to engage in things such as rebuilding and reforming their government. The problem is they do not have the capacity to do either, neither the machines, resources, or technical know-how is present within the country. Also their government is for all practical purposes destroyed, the President was sleeping in the airport on waiting benches, their government builds are destroyed, many staff and officials are dead, there's no way to communicate with other aspects of the government such as police or military, and there's no way to stage an election.

    In the face of all this many Haitians are calling for the US to take over the country, permanently. Thoughts?

    washingtonpost.com
    Not only NO, but HELL NO.

    If private persons wish to continue to help Haiti, that is their perogative, and more power to them. We (USA) have no obligation and should not go into Haiti and "take over" by ANY stretch of the imagination.

    Thing that galls me about this whole situation... how many people actually CARED enough about Haiti before this earthquake? It's always been destitute and in need of severe help.

    Where were all the donations then?

    It's like people who only feel compelled to donate around the holidays by donating time/money to the homeless. Newsflash: There are homeless out there all year 'round.. not only on the holidays.

    Same with the Haitians. Those people have needed the basics for so very long... yet now that an earthquake has totally devastated the area, only now are people donating?

    *sigh*

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    How does some area of land become a territory of the US?

    Can they ask to be accepted as such?

    I don't no ANYTHING about this.

    And your spell-check needs updating.
    Sorry, everything is spelled write I just need to type slower and look at spell check suggestions closer haha.

    Anyway traditionally territories were just pieces of land which were not part of any state, but each territory in US history has been governed differently. For example Arizona and New Mexico territories had governments exactly like a state government, except they had no representation in the Federal government. This status continues with many islands in the Pacific and Puerto Rico, with varying degrees of autonomy. A territory could ask Congress for statehood, which normally dependent on several factors such as population, infrastructure, organization, etc but there's no standard. The only requirement is that Congress vote 2/3 in favor for annexation of another nation or creation of a new state from a territory. In fact in the early 1800s the Dominican Republic asked to join the United States but the vote failed to pass the Senate. http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...B4678382679FDE

    In only one case in history, that of the Republic of Texas, has another country asked and been accepted into the Union, again by decision of Congress.

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    I think we should help them for awhile and leave more long term solutions to the many charitable organizations and relief operations.

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Who colonized Haiti, destroyed their national resources, and brought hundreds of thousands of Africans there to work as agricultural and household slaves?

    That's who should pay to fix Haiti.

    In my opinion, we should start holding the European powers responsible for the destruction their colonialism caused in the 1700s-1900s around the world. This mess in Haiti was not caused by the U.S., and we are not ethically or morally responsible to solve it.

    France and Spain are. France and Spain should ante up, financially, to rebuild Haiti's infrastructure and teach the leaders of Haiti to govern democratically.

    If you look at UK colonialism, at least the brits left their former colonies with the ability to self-govern. The French and Spanish, almost never. They raped, pillaged, stole, and destroyed, and when they were done leeching away a land's resources, they gave it back to the natives who'd been kept illiterate and in bondage for generations.
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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Yeah, they's owed......

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    In my opinion, we should start holding the European powers responsible for the destruction their colonialism caused in the 1700s-1900s around the world. This mess in Haiti was not caused by the U.S., and we are not ethically or morally responsible to solve it.
    With our international institutions the way they are, I don't think this is feasible. Right now we have nations with terrible human rights records serving in the United Nations. I don't see how any other agency or UN commission will be any better.

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Who colonized Haiti, destroyed their national resources, and brought hundreds of thousands of Africans there to work as agricultural and household slaves?

    That's who should pay to fix Haiti.

    In my opinion, we should start holding the European powers responsible for the destruction their colonialism caused in the 1700s-1900s around the world. This mess in Haiti was not caused by the U.S., and we are not ethically or morally responsible to solve it.

    France and Spain are. France and Spain should ante up, financially, to rebuild Haiti's infrastructure and teach the leaders of Haiti to govern democratically.

    If you look at UK colonialism, at least the brits left their former colonies with the ability to self-govern. The French and Spanish, almost never. They raped, pillaged, stole, and destroyed, and when they were done leeching away a land's resources, they gave it back to the natives who'd been kept illiterate and in bondage for generations.
    my god, you want the french to do it?

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    With our international institutions the way they are, I don't think this is feasible. Right now we have nations with terrible human rights records serving in the United Nations. I don't see how any other agency or UN commission will be any better.
    I don't believe it should be an international institution. I think that the governments of France and Spain are individually culpable in Haiti.

    This whole "sharing the blame" game doesn't work for me. France and Spain buggered up Haiti, and France and Spain should be held financially responsible to fix it.

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