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  • Feed them for a while, but leave if they don't step up soon

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Thread: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its becoming increasing apartment that simply keep the Haitians from starving is not going to be a permanent or ideal solution. As most of their capital was destroyed they also need to engage in things such as rebuilding and reforming their government. The problem is they do not have the capacity to do either, neither the machines, resources, or technical know-how is present within the country. Also their government is for all practical purposes destroyed, the President was sleeping in the airport on waiting benches, their government builds are destroyed, many staff and officials are dead, there's no way to communicate with other aspects of the government such as police or military, and there's no way to stage an election.

    In the face of all this many Haitians are calling for the US to take over the country, permanently. Thoughts?

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    youre leaving out option 3. build a military base used for an invasion of venezuela to rob their oil. that is the real motive behind the u.s. going in there.

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by cope2 View Post
    youre leaving out option 3. build a military base used for an invasion of venezuela to rob their oil. that is the real motive behind the u.s. going in there.
    The US is close enough that we need not bother using Haiti as a staging point......
    Once Chavez crashes Venezuela's economy, they will be begging for the U.S. to take them over as well.........

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    India and most of the British colonies have remained fairly stable in comparison to those that were literally destroyed by the French and Spanish. The French, in particular, were really bad about raping countries and then abandoning them.
    Well not really given that there was mass ethnic cleansing in both India and Cyprus, the latter being close to a genocide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I agree. However, the U.S. was responding to an unstable situation right on our doorstep, the instability was created by the French/Spanish. They bear the bulk of the responsibility, morally and financially.
    Unstable in the sense that an ideologically unfavorable government could have taken over where there not anyone to prop up Duvalier. Support for Duvalier was based on keeping in place an economic system that which meet U.S corporate interests but not those of the Haitian people. It is no different from 19th century colonialism in that respect.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I have zero problems with this. In fact, I think Haiti needs a blank slate.
    A blank slate and several centuries worth of reparations.

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post

    In the face of all this many Haitians are calling for the US to take over the country, permanently. Thoughts?

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    I say feed them for a little while then leave. If they want us to take over it should be on the grounds that they become the 51st states,adopt English as their language and fly only our flag.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I say feed them for a little while then leave. If they want us to take over it should be on the grounds that they become the 51st states,adopt English as their language and fly only our flag.
    We already have enough useless slave descendants, why in the world do we need more?.....
    & that doesn't mean they are all worthless......

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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Catz, you're barking up the wrong tree in looking to France and Spain to provide all the resources for rebuilding Haiti. Both certainly have historic culpability in their treatment of the place but to say that Spain (who ceased any involvement with Haiti in 1697) and France (1810) should shoulder sole (or dual) responsibility would make all former colonial powers responsible for all problems in former colonies. It's just not workable.

    To those who think the US should take over I'd say, go ahead provided a) the Haitians vote for it and b) your Congress agrees to it on the basis of full equality of treatment for Haiti as for any other state. I suspect that neither of these would happen however.

    As for this belief, often expressed on DP, that the US is the only country committing real aid to Haiti, that couldn't be further from the truth. I don't know how much the US government has pledged (originally $100m, but I think this may have gone up) but the EU has pledged $575m in relief and reconstruction aid. This does not include the $450m France alone has pledged. This is neither insignificant nor half-hearted. In addition there have been thousands of volunteers and military personnel from dozens of different countries digging people out from under buildings, treating the injured, feeding the displaced and beginning to fix things up. The US ain't the only ones helping.
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    Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Let's make them the 51st state.

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    fyi Re: What should the future of the US in Haiti be?

    Get to hell out of there, of course.

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