View Poll Results: Who, if anyone, should the State force on birth control?

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  • The mentally retarded

    31 31.00%
  • Those with genetic diseases that will cost the State

    29 29.00%
  • Drug addicts

    35 35.00%
  • Child abusers

    36 36.00%
  • Those receiving government assistance (food stamps, welfare)

    41 41.00%
  • Those who've already had 2 or 3 kids (overpopulation)

    15 15.00%
  • Anyone failing a psychological test

    14 14.00%
  • Women over 35 (Higher rate of genetic anomalies)

    3 3.00%
  • Girls under 18

    21 21.00%
  • Forced birth control is a violation of basic human rights

    52 52.00%
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    We have a lot of safeguards in our system. I like Tucker's idea of making this a penalty by jury. It could be an alternative sentence to hard time perhaps.
    So maybe trial by jury... How about that coupled with temporary sterilization?

    I don't know. It still makes me squeamish. I hate new laws that dole out power.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Okay. Fair enough. As I told Ethereal, I can't argue with your reasoning for wanting to sterilize women that are popping out crack babies. I get it.

    My only concern, which you'll probably get sick of hearing in a lot of threads, is the power we're granting. I know it seems like a good idea to give our government the authority to stop an activity we don't like. But that's how we ended up with the tremendous overbearing government we have today.

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    OK, fair enough. But I guess we should clarify something since you are gonna be around for a while...I'm not libertarian in my views at all. In fact, I am probably a bit more authoritarian in my views on government. I believe that judicial response to criminal activity should be harsh, complete, and penalizing enough to prevent recidivism of the crime, even if prevention of recurrence is a matter of making that recurrence a physical impossibility.

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Yet, we allow the death penalty, which I personally oppose, though I'm not zealot on the matter.
    I oppose the Death penalty because it places power in the government's hands that is not held by the people, it is not necessary in order to prevent recidivism, and it cannot be retracted once it is employed.

    That's why I would only support reversible forms of sterilization as a form of punishment for birthing crack babies.

    It is the minimum tactic necessary to prevent recidivism and it would be retractable.

    Plus, sterilization of another person is legal under certain conditions, while vengeance killing is always illegal.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    The answer then is to stop giving away the King's coin.
    The answer is that this is America, we don't have a King and don't want one, and it's the taxpayer's coin.

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The answer is that this is America, we don't have a King and don't want one, and it's the taxpayer's coin.
    No, it isn't. It is the Republic's coin once it goes into the Republic's coffers.

    If it were the taxpayer's coin, still, we would be talking socialism. And I know you don't agree with socialism, amirite?

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    The government provides all sorts of other incentives, to businesses, farmers, drug companies, etc. They do this for the common good. Why not encourage long term welfare recipients, drug addicts, etc, to be sterilized?
    1) You're talking about incentives to businesses, while sterilization is incentive to an individual. Those are not the same thing.

    2) While government provides all those incentives to companies, one aspect of those incentives is not "you get these incentives, but only if you never start up another business again." We don't force people who constantly bankrupt their businesses to be prohibited from starting another business later.

    3) Doing forced sterilization on drug addicts and welfare recipients is inherently racist. It will affect minorities with fewer job opportunities and opportunities to get a higher paying occupations.

    4) It is a permanent solution to temporary statuses of individuals. Sterilization is forever. Welfare and doing drugs isn't necessarily. For example, there are a lot of people on welfare right now during the current recession. Should they be forced to be sterilized for the rest of their life because they are relying on assistance despite the temporary economic recession? Also, people can treatment for their addictions and kick their habit. Many people fall into addiction of one kind or another. The lessening of the taboo of someone being an addict helps them to get treatment the treatment they need and to become and stay a productive member of society.

    5) Not all drug addictions are equal. Are we going to sterilize those arrested for marijuana offenses just as much as we sterilize those arrested for cocaine or heroin offenses? If we do sterilization of drug addicts, then the government will have the power to sterilize anyone or any group they want by making a substance illegal.

    6) Government funds to sterilization programs would be better spent elsewhere. Such programs include drug treatment programs, job training programs, universal mental health programs, and universal birth control programs. Why don't we try those before we do sterilization programs?

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Really, that's the only concern I have about it, too.

    I think that any sterilization sentence should be executed after a trial by jury.
    Then again, there is that pesky 8th Amendment.

    I suppose if the doctor smiled and gave her a lollipop we could bypass that, right?

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, it isn't. It is the Republic's coin once it goes into the Republic's coffers.
    It's always the taxpayer's dollar, and there's this bizarre document that limits what the Republic can spend that money on.

    Forced sterilization is a natural by-product of the elitist thought processes that lead to socialism. "It's not the person's body, it's the State's."

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then again, there is that pesky 8th Amendment.

    I suppose if the doctor smiled and gave her a lollipop we could bypass that, right?
    How is a subdermal implant that releases hormones a cruel and unusual punishment or an excessive fine?
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, she opened the can of worms...

    Liblady, what, exactly, has Bristol Palin done, apart from having been born with the last name "Palin" of course, that would warrant mandated birth control?
    jallman, it was a joke.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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