View Poll Results: Who, if anyone, should the State force on birth control?

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  • The mentally retarded

    31 31.00%
  • Those with genetic diseases that will cost the State

    29 29.00%
  • Drug addicts

    35 35.00%
  • Child abusers

    36 36.00%
  • Those receiving government assistance (food stamps, welfare)

    41 41.00%
  • Those who've already had 2 or 3 kids (overpopulation)

    15 15.00%
  • Anyone failing a psychological test

    14 14.00%
  • Women over 35 (Higher rate of genetic anomalies)

    3 3.00%
  • Girls under 18

    21 21.00%
  • Forced birth control is a violation of basic human rights

    52 52.00%
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    By that argument, why have any penalties or laws? Why not just make crack legal and be done with it? No one should be sent to prison at all.

    My point being, what is so damn sacred about letting a woman get knocked up vs throwing her in prison for 30 years? If the self same woman contracts active TB, the health dept WILL be coming weekly to her home to make sure she takes her TB meds. If she becomes schizophrenic and is released from a inpatient psyche unit to a halfway house, she WILL be required to comply with her medication regimen.

    So, what's so damn special that the State shouldn't have an interest in a crack mother not having more damaged kids on the public dime?
    The state does have an interest in crack mothers getting pregnant. The question is what to do about it. What action should the government take? One option is forced sterilization. That's what's being discussed.

    My objection to forced sterilization is giving the government the power to perform it. Once we give them that power we will never get it back. And the government has proven time and time again that one thing they're good at is expanding their power.


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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    A trial by jury places the power with the people, not the government.

    And with modern techniques, temporary sterilization can occur.
    I agree. I think it should be an option.


    I'll tell you why it's not though. Adoph Hitler. He took eugenics to such an outrageous extreme that now society won't touch anything like this with a 10 ft pole, even when it makes sense. We don't trust our own system, even though it's a pretty good one. We live in fear of the slippery slope, so it paralyzes us.

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Come on liblady, there's already a Palin thread today (started by yours truly, no less). You can do better than that.
    lol...i thought it was pretty good. give me a minute.......

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    We live in fear of the slippery slope, so it paralyzes us.
    Yeah I think that's a good point. Maybe it shouldn't paralyze us, but it should damn sure make us take a nice long pause.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    The state does have an interest in crack mothers getting pregnant. The question is what to do about it. What action should the government take? One option is forced sterilization. That's what's being discussed.

    My objection to forced sterilization is giving the government the power to perform it. Once we give them that power we will never get it back. And the government has proven time and time again that one thing they're good at is expanding their power.


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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    The mentally retarded

    Impractical to apply to every Obama supporter.

    Those with genetic diseases that will cost the State

    Easier fix: The taxpayer, ie, the State, isn't responsible for the care of anyone.

    Drug addicts

    Cheaper to give them chemically pure heroin in unlimited doses.

    Child abusers

    Child abusers are supposed to be in prison where they can't reproduce, right?

    Those receiving government assistance (food stamps, welfare)

    Easier fix: The taxpayer, ie, the State, isn't responsible for the care of anyone.

    Those who've already had 2 or 3 kids (overpopulation)

    If they can afford children, why not have them?

    Anyone failing a psychological test

    Kinda vague and abstract, isn't it?

    Women over 35 (Higher rate of genetic anomalies)

    Easier fix: The taxpayer, ie, the State, isn't responsible for the care of anyone.

    Girls under 18

    If they want a baby, why shouldn't they have one?

    Forced birth control is a violation of basic human rights

    Of course.

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Come on liblady, there's already a Palin thread today (started by yours truly, no less). You can do better than that.
    No, she opened the can of worms...

    Liblady, what, exactly, has Bristol Palin done, apart from having been born with the last name "Palin" of course, that would warrant mandated birth control?

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    The state does have an interest in crack mothers getting pregnant. The question is what to do about it. What action should the government take? One option is forced sterilization. That's what's being discussed.

    My objection to forced sterilization is giving the government the power to perform it. Once we give them that power we will never get it back. And the government has proven time and time again that one thing they're good at is expanding their power.


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    i think reversible sterilization might be the answer.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Yeah I think that's a good point. Maybe it shouldn't paralyze us, but it should damn sure make us take a nice long pause.
    We have a lot of safeguards in our system. I like Tucker's idea of making this a penalty by jury. It could be an alternative sentence to hard time perhaps.

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Damn it. I wanted to join, but I'm not a handsome badass.

    What about:

    Handsome bad-asses and one fugly semi-retard against crack-whores?
    How about:

    Handsome bad-asses & Co. against crack-whores.

    I think that has a very professional look to it.

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