View Poll Results: Who, if anyone, should the State force on birth control?

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  • The mentally retarded

    31 31.00%
  • Those with genetic diseases that will cost the State

    29 29.00%
  • Drug addicts

    35 35.00%
  • Child abusers

    36 36.00%
  • Those receiving government assistance (food stamps, welfare)

    41 41.00%
  • Those who've already had 2 or 3 kids (overpopulation)

    15 15.00%
  • Anyone failing a psychological test

    14 14.00%
  • Women over 35 (Higher rate of genetic anomalies)

    3 3.00%
  • Girls under 18

    21 21.00%
  • Forced birth control is a violation of basic human rights

    52 52.00%
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Thread: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    My concern would be giving our government more power than they already have.
    Really, that's the only concern I have about it, too.

    I think that any sterilization sentence should be executed after a trial by jury.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
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    I understand your caution but there is a glaring fact that must be pointed out. My philosophy on sterilization of a drug addict is predicated on the drug addict having already committed biochemical assault on one child. It is a judicial response to a criminal act having already been tried and convicted. It is a response to the victimization of a child and to prevent it from occurring a second time.

    It's not that far off from what we already have built in our judicial system in the cases of child rapists who are chemically castrated as a part of their probation.

    In the scenario you point to, Oregon's attempt to sterilize what I assume must be homosexuals (because that seems to be what everyone uses to try to incite a reaction out of me as opposed to a response these days), was a matter of eugenics being applied. Which is totally inconsistent and illogical because most people who would support such a thing are the same ones who would scream to high heaven that homosexuality isn't genetic. Figure that one out. The forced sterilization of homosexuals, besides being illogical because homosexuals, by nature of being homosexuals, aren't prone to prolific breeding, fails to acknowledge a crime for which justice is being served and a victim or prevention of further victims.

    On the surface, it appears to be a valid comparison but once you look at it a little deeper, it's like comparing apples and hubcaps.

    Okay. Fair enough. As I told Ethereal, I can't argue with your reasoning for wanting to sterilize women that are popping out crack babies. I get it.

    My only concern, which you'll probably get sick of hearing in a lot of threads, is the power we're granting. I know it seems like a good idea to give our government the authority to stop an activity we don't like. But that's how we ended up with the tremendous overbearing government we have today.

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Except those people weren't hurting other people with their "degenerate" activity. Crack-whores who give birth to babies are chemically assaulting their newborns.
    Well back in the early 1900's I'm sure lots of people could have made the argument that gay people were hurting society.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Really, that's the only concern I have about it, too.

    I think that any sterilization sentence should be executed after a trial by jury.
    I think that gives a sense of justice to the whole proceeding, but it doesn't limit the government's power. The best hope for that would be the Supreme Court striking down the sterilization law
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Okay. Fair enough. As I told Ethereal, I can't argue with your reasoning for wanting to sterilize women that are popping out crack babies. I get it.

    My only concern, which you'll probably get sick of hearing in a lot of threads, is the power we're granting. I know it seems like a good idea to give our government the authority to stop an activity we don't like. But that's how we ended up with the tremendous overbearing government we have today.

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    By that argument, why have any penalties or laws? Why not just make crack legal and be done with it? No one should be sent to prison at all.

    My point being, what is so damn sacred about letting a woman get knocked up vs throwing her in prison for 30 years? If the self same woman contracts active TB, the health dept WILL be coming weekly to her home to make sure she takes her TB meds. If she becomes schizophrenic and is released from a inpatient psyche unit to a halfway house, she WILL be required to comply with her medication regimen.

    So, what's so damn special that the State shouldn't have an interest in a crack mother not having more damaged kids on the public dime?

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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What do you think, should the State mandate birth control for anyone? This will be a multiple choice poll.
    the State has no place in personal decisions--or they shouldn't would be more correct.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    I think that gives a sense of justice to the whole proceeding, but it doesn't limit the government's power. The best hope for that would be the Supreme Court striking down the sterilization law
    A trial by jury places the power with the people, not the government.

    And with modern techniques, temporary sterilization can occur.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What do you think, should the State mandate birth control for anyone? This will be a multiple choice poll.
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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Why not just make crack legal and be done with it?
    Personally, I'd be in favor of legalizing crack, and criminalizing having crack babies.
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    Re: Who, if anyone, should be put on State mandated birth control?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    bristol palin?
    Come on liblady, there's already a Palin thread today (started by yours truly, no less). You can do better than that.

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