View Poll Results: Which weapons should be legal to personally own? (select as many as apply)

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  • All types of handguns

    56 81.16%
  • A fully automatic AK-47

    44 63.77%
  • A fully automatic M-16

    43 62.32%
  • a pipe bomb

    28 40.58%
  • dynamite

    38 55.07%
  • an atomic bomb

    11 15.94%
  • none of the above

    11 15.94%
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    Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Anything the military and law enforcement can get.


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    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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    Kind of hard to do that if only the criminals and government have high powered weapons.
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Of the choices on your list...I'd pick handguns and dynamite for sure, as they have legitimate uses.

    I'm on the fence regarding AK-47s and M-16s. They really have no legitimate use and they're often used in gang crimes...but I realize that not everyone who wants to own them plans to go out and kill people. I don't necessarily think they need to be banned outright, but they should probably be restricted to a higher degree than handguns.

    Pipe bombs and nuclear bombs are clearly a no...They serve no legitimate purpose.
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    I am surprised that someone voted that it should be legal to own an atomic bomb. Or maybe I'm not surprised.

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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Examining the writings of the founders for original intent, I came up with the following as a likely basis for deciding:

    All small arms suitable for militia/infantry service; or for self-defense, hunting, sport, or any other lawful purpose.

    This would include handguns, shotguns, rifles, SMG's, selective-fire rifles like the M16, AK47 and M4.

    Things like SAWs, M60's, grenade launchers and such might be debateable. They are suitable for militia service and carried by a single soldier, but classed as light weapons. Presently one can possess these weapons in many states with a Class III license. That sounds about right to me.

    Benjamin Franklin: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
    safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Nov 11 1755, from the Pennsylvania Assembly's reply to
    the Governor of Pennsylvania.)

    Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
    inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
    better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
    may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man
    ." (1764 Letter and speech from T.
    Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

    John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self
    defense
    ." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

    George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
    people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than
    99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
    atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
    we need them every hour
    ." (Address to 1st session of Congress)

    George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
    Debates at 380)

    Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in
    almost every country in Europe." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

    George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent
    Chronicle.)

    Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers,
    334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

    James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of
    other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)
    On what is the militia:

    George Mason: "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott,
    Debates, 425-426)

    Richard Henry Lee: "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and
    include all men capable of bearing arms." (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)

    James Madison: "A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the
    best and most natural defense of a free country." (1st Annals of Congress, at 434, June 8th 1789,
    emphasis added.


    Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms." (Elliott, Debates at 185)

    Alexander Hamilton: "...that standing army can never be formidable (threatening) to the liberties
    of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in the use of arms."
    (Federalist Paper #29)

    "Little more can be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed
    and equipped." (Id) {responding to the claim that the militia itself could threaten liberty}" There is
    something so far-fetched, and so extravagant in the idea of danger of liberty from the militia that one
    is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or raillery (mockery). (Id)
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    On what is the militia:
    We don't even need to look to the founding fathers:

    US Code; TITLE 10; Subtitle A; PART I; CHAPTER 13

    311. Militia: composition and classes
    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
    (b) The classes of the militia are—
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I am surprised that someone voted that it should be legal to own an atomic bomb. Or maybe I'm not surprised.
    Well, for purposes of demolishing that pesky mountain blocking your backyard view of the ocean...
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm on the fence regarding AK-47s and M-16s. They really have no legitimate use and they're often used in gang crimes...
    handguns are used more often in crime, including gang crime, than rifles or automatics.
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Every man is a responsible gun owner till they shoot their wife.
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    Re: Which weapons should be legal to personally own?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    Every man is a responsible gun owner till they shoot their wife.
    When did you stop beating your wife?


    Lets face it, both statements are equally incorrect and offensive.

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