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  • EF-2000 Eurofighter

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  • F-35 Lightning 2

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Thread: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I think the A-10 Warthog should really be on the list.

    The F-22 generally uses a 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A2 Vulcan gatling gun. The Warthog can pretty much ignore armor-piercing and high-explosive projectiles up to 23 mm.

    So in a fight between the two, the Hog could just wait patiently for its shot while the Raptor ineffectually emptied its arsenal into the Hog's titanium armor. One hit with a round from its 30 mm (1.18 in) GAU-8/A Avenger gatling cannon and the Hog could watch the Raptor shatter like glass.

    Add to that the fact that for the cost of an F-22 you could get 50 Warthogs, and there is just no contest.
    Then you consider that one Raptor can kill 4 Warthogs from BVR, with its AMRAAMS, and than close in and kill another 2 with missiles...

    The Warthog is a ground attack fighter. Close in support and the like. It would be hard pressed beating back a MiG-29 and its upgrades,much less a Raptor.
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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    The A-10 is not helpless against missiles, with SUU-42A/A Flares/Infrared decoys, chaff dispenser pods and electronic countermeasures.

    Also, even if a raptor could somehow manage to take down one A-10, it wouldn't be able to take down the other 49 that you could purchase for the same price.
    Haha, the Raptor wouldn't even have to fight the Hog. The Raptor could fly circles around it, using super cruise, and the Hog would run out of gas before it got to fight. Hell, all 50 of the Hogs could fly around trying to catch the Raptor, and they would all run out of gas before they could even see it.
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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Hands down?
    The F-4.
    With a close second tied between the F-15 and 16. Following in third the Tornado.

    The problem with all of those on the list is that they are all very expensive. Maybe or maybe not worth it. But one thing is for sure. No matter how good an F-22 is. It can't be in two places at once. And if you can't build enough to make a difference, it's pretty much useless as a type.
    While the ones above are all 20+ and still in front line service doing the job.
    The proliferation of advanced surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems pose problems to the F-15 and F-16s survivability. The F-22 has higher survivability chances because of it's low observability to radar systems. Also F-22's can engage more targets and at greater distances, so you would not need as many F-22's as you would F-15's.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    If you mean dog fighter as in the enemy is in visiable range and combat close range combat is going to take place probably the eurofighter. As that is one of its primary roles.

    If you mean taking down the enemy from a suprise hit from a long distance, the F22. US radar systems and stealth are better then the Eurofighter.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Then you consider that one Raptor can kill 4 Warthogs from BVR, with its AMRAAMS, and than close in and kill another 2 with missiles...
    Even with ECCM, AIM-120s are far from immune to countermeasures. The AIM-9s hardly stand a chance. And even if a Hog takes some explosive damage, she'll keep flying, unlike the Raptor.

    Haha, the Raptor wouldn't even have to fight the Hog. The Raptor could fly circles around it, using super cruise, and the Hog would run out of gas before it got to fight.
    Oh, you are all kinds of wrong there. The Raptor can supercruise for maybe a hour and a half tops before she goes bingo fuel herself. The Warthog can keep going for another 6 hours after the Raptor has worn herself out.

    Hell, all 50 of the Hogs could fly around trying to catch the Raptor, and they would all run out of gas before they could even see it.
    Nah, see, after running around for an hour and a half, unable to make a dent in any of the Warthogs, the Raptor will run out of fuel and be forced to land. Then when she is sitting on the ground, she will make an easy target.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I think the A-10 Warthog should really be on the list.

    The F-22 generally uses a 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A2 Vulcan gatling gun. The Warthog can pretty much ignore armor-piercing and high-explosive projectiles up to 23 mm.

    So in a fight between the two, the Hog could just wait patiently for its shot while the Raptor ineffectually emptied its arsenal into the Hog's titanium armor. One hit with a round from its 30 mm (1.18 in) GAU-8/A Avenger gatling cannon and the Hog could watch the Raptor shatter like glass.

    Add to that the fact that for the cost of an F-22 you could get 50 Warthogs, and there is just no contest.
    I'm a fan of the Warthog but it isn't an air superiority fighter. It's an attack plane.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    I'm a fan of the Warthog but it isn't an air superiority fighter. It's a masterpiece, representing the pinnacle of human engineering.
    There. Fixed it for you.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Hands down?
    The F-4.
    With a close second tied between the F-15 and 16. Following in third the Tornado.

    The problem with all of those on the list is that they are all very expensive. Maybe or maybe not worth it. But one thing is for sure. No matter how good an F-22 is. It can't be in two places at once. And if you can't build enough to make a difference, it's pretty much useless as a type.
    While the ones above are all 20+ and still in front line service doing the job.

    And BTW, the winner of the hottest WWII plane has to be the Spitfire. Grace, ellegance, gravitas and a big ****off Merlin engine.
    Stealth, maneuverability and cannons are what the F-4 lacked.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    There. Fixed it for you.
    In the attack role.

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    Re: What is the Best Fighter Plane in the World

    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Even with ECCM, AIM-120s are far from immune to countermeasures. The AIM-9s hardly stand a chance. And even if a Hog takes some explosive damage, she'll keep flying, unlike the Raptor.
    You seem to think the Warthog is invulnerable. News flash, it isn't. It's as strong as they come, and it is (in my opinion) the most effective ground-attack fighter ever made, especially in the CAS role, but that's the extent of its capability. Asking a Hog to fight a Raptoris like asking a sniper to kill an Abrams. It just doesn't work that way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Oh, you are all kinds of wrong there. The Raptor can supercruise for maybe a hour and a half tops before she goes bingo fuel herself. The Warthog can keep going for another 6 hours after the Raptor has worn herself out.
    The Hog has a range of 695 nm. The Raptor has a range of 1,600 nm. Given the speed differences, the Raptor can supercruise at levels as efficient if not more then the Hog at its subsonic, lower altitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    Nah, see, after running around for an hour and a half, unable to make a dent in any of the Warthogs, the Raptor will run out of fuel and be forced to land. Then when she is sitting on the ground, she will make an easy target.
    You really seem bent on proving the Warthog a better air-to-air fighter then the F-22 Raptor. Let me break some of this down for you. The Hog cannot get a bead on the Raptor. The Raptor moves too fast, its too maneuverable, and it has an extreme altitude advantage. The Hog's avionics cannot hope to compare to that of the Raptor. With it's AESA radar, the Raptor can jam, track, and engage a Warthog, while the Warthog cannot even see the Raptor. The Hog would not even know it's being engaged until the first missile hits it.

    Are you getting this? The Raptor is too fast, too maneuverable, too stealthy, and too good for the Warthog to cope with. Of course, this isn't the Hog's fault. It was built to kill tanks, not aircraft. Something you obviously don't see
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