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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Now wait a minute. I agree for the most part, but how does having fundamental faith in your religion make you an ignorant fool? Most fundamentalist Christians are good down to earth people. The problem is they get judged by the "Phelps Family" which is an extreme example. I think that is nothing but a blanket statement on your part, as Jesus camp was not THAT bad.

    I am a Christian, and I am most certainly not ignorant about the world (or anything else for that matter) just because I am a person of faith.
    If you noticed, I said "some of the homeschooling which can occur". It's not stating all, it's stating some. I was saying in spite of that (and it does occur), homeschooling cannot be banned.

    observe:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH_wPUVlJ38"]YouTube- Radical Fundamentalist Christian Home-Schooling[/ame]

    Again, some, not all. And despite the ignorance they are professing, I'm saying that homeschooling should remain legal.
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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you noticed, I said "some of the homeschooling which can occur". It's not stating all, it's stating some. I was saying in spite of that (and it does occur), homeschooling cannot be banned.

    observe:

    YouTube- Radical Fundamentalist Christian Home-Schooling

    Again, some, not all. And despite the ignorance they are professing, I'm saying that homeschooling should remain legal.
    Admittedly I am an old earth Christian and do not agree with that, but it does not make it wrong for her to teach her son.

    That is a very poor example of home schooling being bad in any way.

    If he grows up believing in evolution or creation it will make little difference when he goes to college. As an adult he can then make up his own mind.


    Essentially we agree, I just don't agree with your portrayal of fundamentalist Christians as an example of bad home schooling.

    Just thought this would add a smile or two...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8asQkegV_wk&feature=related"]YouTube- Evolution Explained: South Park Exposes Stupidity Of Creationists[/ame]
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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    I don't think it should be illigal, but I'm no fan of it. Kids needs to socialice with other kids. School is a good place for kids to develop social skills. However, instead we should open for more charter schools and allow them to pick any school in their state if their grades are good enough, so the kids have alternatives and schools need to compete.

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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Our founders lived a relatively simple lifestyle that didn't require a lot of knowledge. Parents taught kids what they knew, that was it. Today, kids need to know things their parents just aren't equipped to teach, things that most parents just don't know. I don't mind parents teaching their kids, so long as kids are getting the information they need. Far too often in home schooling situations, that isn't the case.
    That is just plain wrong, ignorance is high in this thread.
    Most of these guys were generals, statesmen, business owners, et all.
    How in the hell do you think that is "simple?"

    I'm willing to bet most of the detractors are of a government "education."
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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Yes, I guess I am fortunate in the sense that my dad (who died when I was young) left a trust to be used for the sole purpose of my education all the way to university. I am a boarder in Public School in Australia, and I understand that it is an elite school, but I have friends who go to the Australian equivalent of a comprehensive or grammar school, and they are not thugs, and seem quite well educated. I know some government schools can suck, but not all, and there are some selective ones around Sydney that have a very good academic record. I feel sure it would be better for children to be educated at schools like that, than to depend upon a parent who is unlikely to be qualified sufficiently in the entire range of subjects required. And this leaves aside any question of religious indoctrination, or any other prejudice.

    Keywords being "selective ones". Honest truth is, if I can't afford to send my kids (if or when I have them) to a good school I can trust, I would rather teach them myself or at the least supplement their education at home. Some schools teach just the basic, and some teachers don't (or can't afford the time and emotion) to care about all the children in their class. Parents will always try to instill "good values" (a very subjective thing) in their kids, religion being one of it. There's nothing wrong with that in itself. Religious "indoctrination" is not the worst thing in the world. Being in 6th form and not be able to read properly, that's a really bad thing. When that happens, and I seen that often in the schools I volunteered, all the school does is blame the parents. And maybe it's the fault of the parents for not taking their children's education into their own hands.

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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Homeschoolers generally do better than public school educated kids, how can you say it is not the best thing for children? IF home schooled gets did lousy when compared to public schooled kids then you might have something to base that comment on.
    HSLDA | Homeschooled Students Excel in College

    Homeschoolers score higher than 86% of peers

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    James, I was not able to find any good links, but there must be some that are fair and unbiased..
    The wife and I have discussed this and conclude that a decent public school can educate a child better than the parents at home. And this makes sense to me. Another thing, well educated children recieve several hours of education daily at home, no school, public or private can "do it all".
    The key word is "decent", maybe 50% of our schools are lousy - the inner city ones in particular.
    Having the home schools illegal, as they are in Germany is not a good idea, we must not adopt it.
    Instead, the parents in the inner cities should start caring about their children and THEIR schools...This really applies to all parents..Generally, the parents and schools in PA and NY do quite well..

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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is just plain wrong, ignorance is high in this thread.
    Most of these guys were generals, statesmen, business owners, et all.
    How in the hell do you think that is "simple?"

    I'm willing to bet most of the detractors are of a government "education."
    From what I have read and seen of these generals, et al, they were idiotic buffoons...but a bit smarter than their competition.
    When parents care, the so-called government schools (their schools ) can do a good job.

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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not outrage, surprise.
    Fair enough, but even surprise would necessitate a claim of being tolerant or otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So parents should not have anything to do with raising their own children? Or as you put it as little contact as possible?
    My statement was to the effect that minimal contact with society outside the home could be detrimental to the child's social development, I did not address the issue of minimal contact with parents (which would be quite impractical anyway, in the nuclear family environment).

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Maybe if you live in Utopia, because no place else on earth will you find those values in any great amount outside of the home.
    With respect, that is a matter of opinion, and indeed dependent upon the society in which one lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree that interaction as in social contact is a good thing, but it is no less positive or negative than in the home. Our homes be they religious or otherwise tend to be reflections of our society and visa versa.
    That is quite true, but the individual values (and prejudices) of all parents are not necessarily beneficial to society should they be perpetuated in this way. A balance between parental values, and those of the wider society, is far more useful in the development of a child.


    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So far no proof of any kind has been offered to show why home schooling should be illegal.
    I have never set out to do so. I may not consider it preferable to good public schooling, largely because few parents are sufficiently qualified to instruct their children in the range of disciplines necessary, but I am always reticent to deem a thing illegal. We have sufficient redundant laws on our statute books as it is.

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    I support homeschooling but support unschooling even more
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    Re: Should home-schooling be illegal?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    From what I have read and seen of these generals, et al, they were idiotic buffoons...but a bit smarter than their competition.
    In some cases you could be very accurate but to think that life a couple hundred years ago was simple is just stupid.

    These guys had less over all time in any type of school yet they had better hand writing and eloquence than most college graduates I've seen before.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    When parents care, the so-called government schools (their schools ) can do a good job.
    Trying to get the whole of a schools parents to care is like climbing a mountain while at the same time your kids will suffer from their apathy.

    I won't waste my time with that.
    In my area the elementary schools are not meeting AYP, the high schools only care about sports programs and the smart kids are marginalized.

    Putting my kids into that kind of atmosphere would essentially be child abuse.

    When I had my kids I had no reservations about being their parent 24/7, part of that is not dumping them off with a surrogate parent while my wife and I go earn a double income to support a life of excess consumption.
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