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Thread: Congressional term limits

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Let the voters decide when someone has become corrupted. Not you.
    I will. When the vote to add term limits happens they will make their voices heard.

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    You realize that he did leave office and term limits had nothing to do with it, right?
    Yes, I do. He resigned in disgrace after being linked to the burglary of the
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I will. When the vote to add term limits happens they will make their voices heard.
    Wow, did you just write that?

    You want to limit the choice of voters so their voice can be heard? Really?

    Think that one over a minute.

    Yes, I do. He resigned in disgrace after being linked to the burglary of the
    of the hedquarters of the Democratic National Party.
    Yes. So term limits weren't necessary.

    It is already easy to remove bad politicians through elections or impeachment. Term limits only get rid of the good ones too. How can you tell which ones are good or bad? Simple - let the voters decide every election. They don't need you deciding for them.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    There are other ways. Iowa has given the redistricting process to an independent commission, for instance.
    True. There's talk of that here. Again. And again. The problem is no one ever does anything about it. The commission talk (sometimes called a panel) comes along every few years. Now Governor McDonnell is talking about it.

    We'll see...

    Money has influence, but not power. There is a huge difference. Only voters have power. They decide.
    You can't have power without money in today's political world. There's just no way. There's a reason politicians spend so much time raising money. And it's not because they like it.

    Voters have the power of one vote. That's it. But money can buy many more votes.


    So?

    You got a problem with majority rule?
    No of course not. Nor did I ever say that. My problem is with the power and influence an incumbent has over our political system. Once contacts are made, favors are owed, palms are greased, and cronyism is in full swing, the incumbent becomes a powerful beast.

    For example: If Ted Kennedy were alive and well do you believe Brown would have beaten him in Massachusetts? Or would Kennedy have crushed him like a bug?

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm more concerned with getting bad people out than with getting good people in.



    But the voters of different states affect me, even though I can't vote for their candidates.
    Come on Dav, you are better than this. Both getting the bad out and the good in is a concern, and without doing both, we won't have a good government.

    How different states vote does effect you, but you are not supposed to have a say in who they elect. That is how the process is set up, and it is the right setup. Term limits will not lead to those other states voting how you like.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Personally, I don't trust most voters to make an informed decision. Name recognition plays a big role in incumbents getting the vote, whereas newcomers don't have that immediate appeal to people who just walk into the polls and vote for someone based on the fact that they 'recognize' the name. Unfortunately, the voting records of their representatives often aren't researched or scrutinized.
    If you don't trust voters, then you might want to move to a country without an elected government. If you live here, you have to accept that voters are the final arbiters of who represents us. Getting upset about it is not going to do you any good, nor are term limits, which serve no other purpose than limiting the choice of the voters.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Yes, but seeing as how now - at least in the perception of the public, which is really all that matters - we have more bad people than good, a policy that would get rid of bad people would be effective even if it also got rid of good people.
    We have a policy to get rid of people that are perceived as bad. It's called elections.



    Yes, and what they want, unfortunately, is power. Senior Congressmen and Senators have set it up so that seniority matters a lot in the legislative process, thus meaning that if voters want to vote out the incumbent, they have to vote to give themselves significantly less power than previously. Thus keeping bad incumbents in and good challengers out.

    There is a lot of other things that give incumbents an unfair advantage as well.
    This is less about "bad" people vs. "good" people and more about legislative process.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    We have a policy to get rid of people that are perceived as bad. It's called elections.
    And we have a winner! If people cannot be trusted to vote out bad politicians, then how can we trust them to vote in good ones?
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And we have a winner! If people cannot be trusted to vote out bad politicians, then how can we trust them to vote in good ones?
    Though I agree with what some of said... I generally don't trust the average voter to make good informed decisions, until there is something better, this is the appropriate policy. Remember, if voters are stupid, term limits aren't going to stop them from voting stupid people in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    After the discussion here, I've decided to change my poll answer (or I would if I could).

    I no longer support term limits.

    I think the issue is not with the number of terms that can be served.

    The issue is with the process by which politicians are elected.

    Ironically enough, my reasons for changing my answer are part of the issue, in a way.

    Voters don't think about the candidates and their issues enough, or (in some cases) do not/are not able to get enough information about the candidates to make a proper (as in, informed) decision.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    After the discussion here, I've decided to change my poll answer (or I would if I could).

    I no longer support term limits.

    I think the issue is not with the number of terms that can be served.

    The issue is with the process by which politicians are elected.

    Ironically enough, my reasons for changing my answer are part of the issue, in a way.

    Voters don't think about the candidates and their issues enough, or (in some cases) do not/are not able to get enough information about the candidates to make a proper (as in, informed) decision.
    I can change your vote.

    Good points. The process of how politicians are elected is the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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