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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I think we should be trusting the voters to decide that.
    Personally, I don't trust most voters to make an informed decision. Name recognition plays a big role in incumbents getting the vote, whereas newcomers don't have that immediate appeal to people who just walk into the polls and vote for someone based on the fact that they 'recognize' the name. Unfortunately, the voting records of their representatives often aren't researched or scrutinized.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Agreed, but with the gerrymandering that occurs, coupled with the money and power an incumbent inherits once they're in office... well it's tough to vote someone out.
    If the problem is gerrymandering, the solution is to control gerrymandering.

    Money and power is irrelevant. The voters still decide. If they pick the guy who throws the most ads at them, that's their fault. If they pick the guy who has alot of power, well, maybe that's a good choice for them.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Personally, I don't trust most voters to make an informed decision.
    I think that says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Works both ways, though, Vader. You get someone good (for once) and you can't keep them. Let the voters handle it.
    In a pefect world, sure that would be true. Remember ... power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Given enough time, even those most forthright individual can be corrupteed. For this reason, politicans must be changed often. Doing so removes corrupted individuals from office.

    Without limits there is no balance. Corruption goes unchecked we would be doomed. Imagine if President Nixon, who participated in the commission of a felony, had never been removed from office?

    Unfortunately, politics and corruption are as closely related as eggs and bacon, death and taxes, Michelle Obama and a horsehair weeve.

    Term limits are a part of the system of checks and balances upon which our country was founded.

    If nothing else, we need a system by which a senator/congressman can be removed from office. A vote of no confidence or something similar.
    A system by which dishonest people can be removed from office.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If the problem is gerrymandering, the solution is to control gerrymandering.
    That would require the people that are doing the gerrymandering to stop the gerrymandering. So far that has proven to be an impossible task for them.


    Money and power is irrelevant.
    That is an extremely difficult claim to prove in American politics. Are you saying that money and power are irrelevant in an American election? If true it would seem that our politicians are spending a tremendous amount of time raising money for no reason.


    The voters still decide. If they pick the guy who throws the most ads at them, that's their fault. If they pick the guy who has alot of power, well, maybe that's a good choice for them.
    Well that goes back to the original problem. The person with the most money can throw the "most ads at'em". And that person is probably the incumbent. Not always, I'll give you that, but about 95% of the time.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    What's the main problem?

    We have term limits in Virginia, but only for the Governor (one term). Our Congressman and Senators can serve a lifetime. And 99% of them do.
    What I like about Virginia's gubernatorial term limits is that you can technically serve for as many terms as you want, but not for two consecutive terms. That way, you can vote good people back in eventually, but nobody gets the advantages of incumbency.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    In a pefect world, sure that would be true. Remember ... power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Wow, that's a useless cliche.

    Given enough time, even those most forthright individual can be corrupteed. For this reason, politicans must be changed often. Doing so removes corrupted individuals from office.
    Let the voters decide when someone has become corrupted. Not you.

    Without limits there is no balance. Corruption goes unchecked we would be doomed. Imagine if President Nixon, who participated in the commission of a felony, had never been removed from office?
    You realize that he did leave office and term limits had nothing to do with it, right?

    Term limits are a part of the system of checks and balances upon which our country was founded.
    Well, no, they weren't. There were no term limits in the original Constitution.

    TERMS, and regular elections, were the system of checks and balances.

    If nothing else, we need a system by which a senator/congressman can be removed from office. A vote of no confidence or something similar.
    A system by which dishonest people can be removed from office.
    We already have that! It's called elections!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That would require the people that are doing the gerrymandering to stop the gerrymandering. So far that has proven to be an impossible task for them.
    There are other ways. Iowa has given the redistricting process to an independent commission, for instance.

    That is an extremely difficult claim to prove in American politics. Are you saying that money and power are irrelevant in an American election? If true it would seem that our politicians are spending a tremendous amount of time raising money for no reason.
    Money has influence, but not power. There is a huge difference. Only voters have power. They decide.

    Well that goes back to the original problem. The person with the most money can throw the "most ads at'em". And that person is probably the incumbent. Not always, I'll give you that, but about 95% of the time.
    So?

    You got a problem with majority rule?

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    What I like about Virginia's gubernatorial term limits is that you can technically serve for as many terms as you want, but not for two consecutive terms. That way, you can vote good people back in eventually, but nobody gets the advantages of incumbency.
    I hate Virginia's system. Every governor is a lame duck. As soon as he has figured things out, he has to go. It's absurd. We waste alot of talent that way.

    Then again, we did get rid of that idiot Gilmore.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I hate Virginia's system. Every governor is a lame duck. As soon as he has figured things out, he has to go. It's absurd. We waste alot of talent that way.

    Then again, we did get rid of that idiot Gilmore.
    Seems to have worked so far. And really, if it takes someone a whole term to figure things out, there's something wrong to begin with.

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