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Thread: Congressional term limits

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because I am.



    Nothing makes me personally qualified. I suggested a constitutional amendment to change the process. Would you agree that the Constitution is qualified to do that?
    No.

    Just like I wouldn't support a Constitutional amendment abolishing elections altogether, for instance. Just because it's in the Constitution doesn't make it a good idea.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So? Why should there be an amendment saying I can't vote for who I want to because someone else doesn't like it?
    Why should the Constitution say the democratically-elected president can't censor the press just because someone else doesn't like it?

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    BTW, did you know that in the 90s when term limits was a big thing, there were some districts where the voters actually voted for term limits while at the same time re-electing a congressman who was already past the term limit they voted for?
    And what conclusion do you draw from that?
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why should the Constitution say the democratically-elected president can't censor the press just because someone else doesn't like it?
    And sometimes there are good things in the Constitution.

    Freedom of speech is democratic. So are free elections. They fit well together, don't you think?

    And what conclusion do you draw from that?
    That term limits are a pointless fad. Even the voters who say they want them don't really want them.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    People are only interested in term limits because they don't want the OTHER state's representative to get re-elected.

    I am not interested in term limits for Congress because I believe it weakens the power of the Congress relative to the President. I believe that power should be flowing the other way. The Presidency is too powerful now as it is.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And sometimes there are good things in the Constitution.

    Freedom of speech is democratic. So are free elections. They fit well together, don't you think?
    I see. So you're fine with substituting your judgment for the voters' judgment if they're going to elect a president who will censor the press. It's not anti-democratic when YOU do it.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman
    That term limits are a pointless fad. Even the voters who say they want them don't really want them.
    Really. Because the conclusion I drew from that little anecdote was that voters (whose rights you are supposedly arguing on behalf of) are broadly supportive of term limits, but still can't figure out how to vote their own guy out of office. Which perfectly illustrates why term limits are necessary.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    People are only interested in term limits because they don't want the OTHER state's representative to get re-elected.

    I am not interested in term limits for Congress because I believe it weakens the power of the Congress relative to the President. I believe that power should be flowing the other way. The Presidency is too powerful now as it is.
    All excellent points.

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Took you long enough!

    Yeah, those suck too. You'll notice they weren't in the original Constitution either. But I can see making an exception when there is enormous power in one single office.
    I think if we somehow reformed campaign laws to the point where incumbency/power/corruption/whatever had no effect, and were able to make elections perfectly fair and balanced, presidential term limits would be unecessary.

    Is that even possible?
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I see. So you're fine with substituting your judgment for the voters' judgment if they're going to elect a president who will censor the press. It's not anti-democratic when YOU do it.
    Nice try. But freedom of speech limits the power of the government, not the people.

    Really. Because the conclusion I drew from that little anecdote was that voters (whose rights you are supposedly arguing on behalf of) are broadly supportive of term limits, but still can't figure out how to vote their own guy out of office. Which perfectly illustrates why term limits are necessary.
    Oh. My. God.

    They couldn't figure out how to vote him out of office? They were too stupid and confused to simply push the button for his opponent instead? Did you really just say that?

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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    All excellent points.
    As I understand it, there is supposed to be a 3-way balance of power between the Presidency, Congress, and the Court system.
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    Re: Congressional term limits

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think if we somehow reformed campaign laws to the point where incumbency/power/corruption/whatever had no effect, and were able to make elections perfectly fair and balanced, presidential term limits would be unecessary.

    Is that even possible?
    Incumbency and power are fine. Nothing wrong with those. If the voters want to take those things into consideration, that's their right.

    Corruption is already illegal.

    I agree that elections could be improved. They shouldn't cost so much, and we should try to limit gerrymandering. Term limits is like curing a splinter by cutting off your finger.

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