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Thread: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Good for you... you can spot when something is circular. Doesn't change the truth of what I said, which you are refusing to rebut.
    One isn't required to rebut a circular argument. Pointing out it's circularity is negation enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If the moon was so important there would already be major operations underway to go there. But it's a low priority, in reality.
    So you repeat your circular argument.



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    They're only unconstitutional because you don't like them, and that's not the subject we're discussing. I suggest you keep your eye on the ball.
    No, they're unconstitutional because they're unconstitutional. Welcome to a discussion where people use words accurately.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    What the U.S. does domestically is different than claiming celestial bodies. Apples and oranges.
    Apples and oranges tend to dry out in complete vacuum.

    Just tellin' ya.

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    And if those programs are so unconstitutional, why would you support an even bigger portion of money going into a program to build a base on the moon that only a few will occupy?
    The objection to unconsitutional programs is their illegality, not the quantity of money stolen to run them.

    Will have forward missile spotting positions above the artic circle. Since only a handful of men man them, you're arguing that we shouldn't have them, because other programs are unconstitutional.

    You really need to work on your logic skills.

    [quote=Orius;1058514034]It has no practical benefit for the nation.[/

    Yes, some people say national defense has no practical benefits for the nation.

    Those people are wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Are you suggesting nuclear propulsion to get those weapons back to earth?
    That's still "rocket" propulsion, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That sounds like nuclear weapons to me, and that would be illegal under international treaty. Arming space is against the law.
    Oh. Of course. When I said the US should maintain missile launch facilities on the moon, naturally I meant those missiles should only carry a thousand pounds of chemical explosive. What on earth...er off earth else could I have meant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Types of rocks are assets. Why would we mine the moon when rock and mineral assets are still fairly abundant on earth? The need to mine the moon won't become pressing during Obama's administration, that's for sure.
    David was interested only a round rock to fit his sling. Is "round" a "type of rock"?

    Why would we mine lunar assets?

    Gravity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If it takes more resources to get the rocks off the moon than the rocks are worth, then it's a total waste... unless of course they discover some new, super duper useful material that can only be found on the moon.
    I know! They'll find on a moon a type of aluminum that will take 5/6 less energy to propel to mars than any aluminum found on earth. I'm sure it's there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A single domesticity cannot hope to colonize space, not even the U.S. It's a pipe dream until we collectively get our priorities in check.
    You mean "until we scrap the stupid evil socialist notion of collectivizing wealth by stealing", don't you?

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You were discussing water, not people. You should at least be able to remain focused on your own statements.
    Well presumably people are going to use that water somehow. You said that it's useful because it's already up there, which naturally implies that there will be people up there as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    I listed 10 items of military and commercial importance.
    ...all of which are associated with maintaining the colony itself, which makes this a circular argument.

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    You mean water has no value in the exploration and explotation of the Solar System?
    It has no value if there are no people on the moon.

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    Is it?

    Doesn't that depend on who establishes the base and what they're willing to do to maintain their monopoly?

    I KNOW the United States would not forbid others access to the moon, history has shown that no other nation can be trusted with that kind of power.
    A) If China won't/can't even fight us for Taiwan, they certainly won't/can't fight us because we established a lunar base 2,000 miles away from their lunar base.

    B) This is the height of absurdity. You're speculating about whether or not China will be able to monopolize the moon, when there is not even a single person on the moon today. I suggest you turn off Star Wars and focus on the real world. There are plenty of amazing technological developments that will be economically feasible in the FORESEEABLE future that have the potential to change society.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Helium 3 needs to be made from Tritium. Only about 250kg of tritium has been produced since the 1950s. That's not nearly enough for a reactor.
    "Helium-3 is present on the moon, but in very small concentration levels, meaning that many hundreds of millions of tons of soil must be processed to extract a ton of helium-3," said Paul Spudis of the Lunar and Planetary Institute, a NASA-funded research institution.

    This extraction requires heating lunar dust particles to around 1,300 degrees Fahrenheit (700 degrees Celsius), Spudis said.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    This is a huge mistake. Giving up on our human spaceflight programs is an absolutely terrible idea.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    "Helium-3 is present on the moon, but in very small concentration levels, meaning that many hundreds of millions of tons of soil must be processed to extract a ton of helium-3," said Paul Spudis of the Lunar and Planetary Institute, a NASA-funded research institution.
    So it's pretty much the same as extracting the water from the soil then eh?
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    This is a huge mistake. Giving up on our human spaceflight programs is an absolutely terrible idea.
    Why? The space program is a corporate welfare program that just gives tax dollars to corporations.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it's pretty much the same as extracting the water from the soil then eh?
    Looks like it.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That would be like telling Chris Columbus to wait until Spain fixed all of its problems before setting sail.
    Spain didn't really have many problems in 1492. It has just reconquered Granada and it was a time of high patriotic feelings. As a matter of fact, Columbus took advantage of the good graces of Isabel of Spain to finance his travel. He had been refused various times before by not just Spain but also Portugal. The only "problem" Spain had at that time was gaining control of the huge trading market in Asia at the time. This was a "problem" because another naval power also had its eye on Asia, Portugal. Wait, I'm talking too much. Your analogy is bull****. Learn history.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In the 1960's, the space program created many things of value. I especially liked "Tang".
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Why? The space program is a corporate welfare program that just gives tax dollars to corporations.
    No, the bailout is an example of corporate welfare and so is the fact that the state government of Illinois gives wal-mart 100million dollars to help relieve them of stress, when in reality a corporation like wal-mart does not need that money.

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