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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The problem with it is that it's DOWN here, not up there.
    Ay, there's the rub. You're forgetting that every human who has ever lived is also down here, not up there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Should you be entering this discussion if you dont know the economic value of gravitational potential energy?

    But I'll explain....with today's primitive technology it costs over $50,000 a lb to put something on the moon. Water is heavy, and if water is already there, we don't have to pay to get it there. A gallon of water weighs over 8 lbs, which means it costs over $400,000 to put a gallon of orange juice on the moon.....but shipping Tang and using local water drastically cuts the cost of doing business.
    The base you are proposing has no reason for existing aside from the water. And the water has no commercial use aside from the base...which makes the whole idea ridiculous.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    Becuase I am opposed to socialism, especially when the threat of it being imposed from the outside is so great. The colonization of the moon would be a principally military venture disguised as a commercial process to bootstrap the finances. Ensuring the national security of the US, by preventing the establishment of a military monopoly on the moon by another nation, is the goal.
    You just acknowledged a couple posts ago that if we establish a base somewhere on the moon, any other country could still establish one elsewhere. The reverse is true as well, so the threat of some other nation establishing a "military monopoly" on the moon is nil. And even talking about a country monopolizing the moon before there is a single person living there is absurd.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is? I really do not know.
    Yes it is, but since we don't have the technology for a functional fusion reactor it really doesn't matter anyway.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Yes it is, but since we don't have the technology for a functional fusion reactor it really doesn't matter anyway.
    I think I would rather put some NASA budget towards developing that.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think I would rather put some NASA budget towards developing that.
    That's gonna fall under DoE most likely.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Ah! The Circular Argument. Always useful when you want to bite your tail.
    Good for you... you can spot when something is circular. Doesn't change the truth of what I said, which you are refusing to rebut. If the moon was so important there would already be major operations underway to go there. But it's a low priority, in reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, there's no "benefit" to unconstitutional social programs, but we have them anyway....because tax dollars aren't spent for direct benefit, but to buy votes.
    They're only unconstitutional because you don't like them, and that's not the subject we're discussing. I suggest you keep your eye on the ball.

    What the U.S. does domestically is different than claiming celestial bodies. Apples and oranges. And if those programs are so unconstitutional, why would you support an even bigger portion of money going into a program to build a base on the moon that only a few will occupy? It has no practical benefit for the nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Really?

    Rocket propulsion is the only way to get material on the moon back to Earth?
    Are you suggesting nuclear propulsion to get those weapons back to earth? That sounds like nuclear weapons to me, and that would be illegal under international treaty. Arming space is against the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right now, it's a night light.

    When men walk it again, it's a rock, and rocks are assets. Ask David.
    Types of rocks are assets. Why would we mine the moon when rock and mineral assets are still fairly abundant on earth? The need to mine the moon won't become pressing during Obama's administration, that's for sure.

    If it takes more resources to get the rocks off the moon than the rocks are worth, then it's a total waste... unless of course they discover some new, super duper useful material that can only be found on the moon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If "humanity" waits until "humanity" is "organized", "humanity" will never establish extraterrestrial colonies.

    So the United States should allow "humanity" to run it's course, and take the lead in acting independently.
    The U.S. is part of the human system, fighting wars over resources that cost hundreds of billions of dollars and large portions of the GDP; it operates in the same system of scarcity. Even though the media loves reporting on war, the number of wars that are being fought around the world have decreased in the past century. If humanity can stay that course, it will lead to more collaboration and less hostility.

    A single domesticity cannot hope to colonize space, not even the U.S. It's a pipe dream until we collectively get our priorities in check.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think going to the moon, at this point in history, is a waste of resources. I'd rather see a government program, on a grand scale like this, researching and developing future sources of fuel for transportation and electricity. The human race also needs to stop growing in numbers, this is another imperative.
    You want the human race to stop growing? Find don't have any children, that will be a start.

    People will continue to breed until a cull is necessary and that is when a major war or disease will break out and bring down the population to the level where things won't be as bad. But please people need to continue reproducing.

    And the source for a new fuel might be on the moon but we will never find out because of individuals like you who believe going to the moon is pointless.

    And I don't think you have a understanding of what is wrong with the world, but I won't bother telling you because you wouldn't get it.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    And the source for a new fuel might be on the moon but we will never find out because of individuals like you who believe going to the moon is pointless.
    Helium 3 is on the moon and it has great energy producing potential.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ay, there's the rub. You're forgetting that every human who has ever lived is also down here, not up there.
    You were discussing water, not people. You should at least be able to remain focused on your own statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The base you are proposing has no reason for existing aside from the water.
    Wrong.

    I listed 10 items of military and commercial importance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And the water has no commercial use aside from the base...which makes the whole idea ridiculous.
    You mean water has no value in the exploration and explotation of the Solar System?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You just acknowledged a couple posts ago that if we establish a base somewhere on the moon, any other country could still establish one elsewhere.
    Amazing how freedom works, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The reverse is true as well
    Is it?

    Doesn't that depend on who establishes the base and what they're willing to do to maintain their monopoly?

    I KNOW the United States would not forbid others access to the moon, history has shown that no other nation can be trusted with that kind of power.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Helium 3 is on the moon and it has great energy producing potential.
    Helium 3 can also be manufactured right here on earth.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Helium 3 can also be manufactured right here on earth.
    Helium 3 needs to be made from Tritium. Only about 250kg of tritium has been produced since the 1950s. That's not nearly enough for a reactor.

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