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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    If the moon was such a critical military or commercial asset, operations would have already been setup there. The benefit has to outweigh the cost in any economic project and that is the basic reason why nothing has been setup there.

    A missle program won't be installed up there. It costs $10,000 to send one pound of material into Earth's orbit and at least double that to get it to the moon. It wouldn't make any sense to install a missile program 250,000km from earth because you'd also have to invest in the fuel to propel the missiles all the way back. Military satellites are much more practical if anything like that were to happen, and there is a detection net setup in space to detect new and potentially volatile satellites.

    There is no point in going to the moon just to be the one to claim it. Also, there is no justification to claim it. The moon is everyone's. It has been in our sky since the dawn of humanity. It's not an "asset". It's a celestial body.

    By the time humanity is organized enough to even put a colony on it, we will probably have a lot of our social issues resolved on this planet, which means it would likely be a joint effort anyway. Space is a rough gig and we'd need as much help as possible. We should be dedicating those resources to research to terrestrial problems. We won't be able to make meaningful and major progress in space until we fix stuff down here.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Actually there have been several proxy wars with the Soviet Union since WWII.
    Right.

    There was not catastrophic war between the US and the USSR.

    Glad you agree.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If the moon was such a critical military or commercial asset, operations would have already been setup there.
    Ah! The Circular Argument. Always useful when you want to bite your tail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The benefit has to outweigh the cost in any economic project and that is the basic reason why nothing has been setup there.
    No, there's no "benefit" to unconstitutional social programs, but we have them anyway....because tax dollars aren't spent for direct benefit, but to buy votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    A missle program won't be installed up there. It costs $10,000 to send one pound of material into Earth's orbit and at least double that to get it to the moon. It wouldn't make any sense to install a missile program 250,000km from earth because you'd also have to invest in the fuel to propel the missiles all the way back. Military satellites are much more practical if anything like that were to happen, and there is a detection net setup in space to detect new and potentially volatile satellites.
    Really?

    Rocket propulsion is the only way to get material on the moon back to Earth?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    There is no point in going to the moon just to be the one to claim it. Also, there is no justification to claim it. The moon is everyone's. It has been in our sky since the dawn of humanity. It's not an "asset". It's a celestial body.
    Right now, it's a night light.

    When men walk it again, it's a rock, and rocks are assets. Ask David.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    By the time humanity is organized enough to even put a colony on it, we will probably have a lot of our social issues resolved on this planet, which means it would likely be a joint effort anyway. Space is a rough gig and we'd need as much help as possible. We should be dedicating those resources to research to terrestrial problems. We won't be able to make meaningful and major progress in space until we fix stuff down here.
    If "humanity" waits until "humanity" is "organized", "humanity" will never establish extraterrestrial colonies.

    So the United States should allow "humanity" to run it's course, and take the lead in acting independently.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh.

    Having the ability to destroy an enemy country from 250,000 miles out of his reach doesn't have any military potential?

    You sure about that one?

    Using lunar resources to explore the asteroid belt to convert a nickel iron asteroid into strain-free single-crystal, and hence superstrong iron cable has no commercial value? What about having access to a cubic mile of iron with zero environmental impact on the Earth? No commercial value there?

    What about using solar power to electrical separate the aluminum oxide in the lunar regolith, providing both aluminum for construction purposes and oxygen for both breathing and rocket propellant? No commercial value there?



    Depends on how it's done. Will we be foolish enough to use man-rated vehicles to ship mass produced cargo to the moon? Will we continue to use the expensive disintegrating totem poles of the past, exemplified by both the Apollo program and the Shuttle?



    One shot, in one crater picked at random on the South Pole of the Moon, yielded definitive proof of water on the moon. There's enough water.



    The word you're looking for is "investment".



    No, it's a barren rock.

    With potential.



    The word you're looking for here is "troglodyte".



    Oh, ****.

    There will be fertile soil, given time.

    The word is "investment".



    Wrong.



    "Impossible"?

    And you're a member of an equatorially evolved species that has colonies of people living in the highest latitudes? Who didn't so much acclimate to these environments as much as they used technology to survive in them?

    Shame on you. Believing something is impossible is often the only reason it becomes impossible.



    national security, interplanetary resources that don't damage the Earth environment, wealth, and freedom.



    Where? What? 120" TV screens? Flying cars? Better football helmets?



    But I have.
    This is nothing but fantasy and wishful thinking. Most of which isn't even remotely grounded in reality. The one crater was picked because it was the spot on the moon with the highest probability of having any water, meaning that the water density isn't uniform. And even then it was a few liters of water per tons of soil. Think about that. Don't talk about terraforming because that's ridiculous. The moon (remember the 1/6 gravity you quoted) doesn't have the gravity to maintain an atmosphere. So you're not going to make the moon fertile. Mining the astoroid belt is unbelievably out of reach currently and the money and energy necessary to do that well overcomes any potential gain we could get from it.

    What you've posted here is nothing more than flights of fancy. The reality of the situation is that it will cost unfathomable sums of money and would rob research from other areas which can more immediately have positive impact for us. At some point, this all may become feasible maybe; but we're not currently at that point. We can gain well more with significant less money by researching other sciences and medicine and technologies on earth first.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Here is an idea for the moon:

    Researchers and space enthusiasts seehelium 3 as the perfect fuel source: extremely potent, nonpolluting, withvirtually no radioactive by-product. Proponents claim its the fuel ofthe 21st century. The trouble is, hardly any of it is found on Earth.But there is plenty of it on the moon.

    SPACE.com -- Researchers and space enthusiasts see helium-3 as the perfect fuel source.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Here is an idea for the moon:

    Researchers and space enthusiasts seehelium 3 as the perfect fuel source: extremely potent, nonpolluting, withvirtually no radioactive by-product. Proponents claim its the fuel ofthe 21st century. The trouble is, hardly any of it is found on Earth.But there is plenty of it on the moon.

    SPACE.com -- Researchers and space enthusiasts see helium-3 as the perfect fuel source.
    You've gotta come up with transportation which doesn't cost more energy than you'd save by using He-3. It doesn't currently exist because you'd have to be able to ship up to the moon and carry back from the moon. But getting anything to the moon is an extremely energy consuming act.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Right.

    There was not catastrophic war between the US and the USSR.

    Glad you agree.
    Actually they were catastrophic.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You've gotta come up with transportation which doesn't cost more energy than you'd save by using He-3. It doesn't currently exist because you'd have to be able to ship up to the moon and carry back from the moon. But getting anything to the moon is an extremely energy consuming act.
    Yeah I wasn't sure how economically viable it would be at this time. It makes more sense to me at least than putting missles on the moon. Or going to the moon just because we can.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Here is an idea for the moon:

    Researchers and space enthusiasts seehelium 3 as the perfect fuel source: extremely potent, nonpolluting, withvirtually no radioactive by-product. Proponents claim its the fuel ofthe 21st century. The trouble is, hardly any of it is found on Earth.But there is plenty of it on the moon.

    SPACE.com -- Researchers and space enthusiasts see helium-3 as the perfect fuel source.
    It is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to manufacture Helium 3 on earth than mine if from the moon.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    It is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to manufacture Helium 3 on earth than mine if from the moon.

    It is? I really do not know.

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