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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    In response to your opening remarks. First of all, Obama is not an idiot. Hurling that insult at someone with whom you disagree demeans your argument.
    He's cancelling investment into essential national assets.

    He's an idiot.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Secondly, we have already been to the moon. From the scientific effort required to accomplish that amazing feat came many breakthroughs, esp in computer technology. It was the process of reaching the goal of setting foot on the moon that brought new discoveries. The moon itself is a lifeless hunk of rock which requires a great deal of energy to reach, with supporting life at a most basic level being very difficult and expensive.
    So, you don't have any visions of the future, any concept of what can be done with a dead planet whose soil is made of titanium and aluminum and silicate dusts, and you're really not certain what use to manufacturing access to a solid foundation and a perfect vacuum can be for human technological progress?

    Well, a bunch of us are fully aware of the possibilities and the commercial potential for such a place, and many of us are also aware of the military threat presented by allowing potential enemies to establish primacy on the moon, also.

    Seriously, the potentials outweigh the costs. What's needed now to exploit the solar system, starting with the moon, is basic engineering applications, not scientific breakthroughs.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What is valuable to the human race is carbon-based life, not lifeless celestial bodies with no breathable atmosphere.
    So. Explain how that life is going to be found if we don't get our sorry asses out there looking for it?

    What is the first necessary step in getting out there to find alien life?

    Oh, that's right, the first necessary step is colonization of and exploitation of a major airless sterile rock orbiting the Earth.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 01-27-10 at 03:59 PM.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And this is nothing but your opinion. The facts and benefits we have gained from NASA and it's relatively tiny budget fer outweigh the minuses.
    Mmm, yes. So who's opinion is worth more. Some random guy with no scientific backing thinking of some delusion of grandure over space travel or a scientist? I'm going to say the scientist probably has a lot more experience and knowledge about this.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Why would they do that? We owe them way too much money to destroy us. They need us alive and healthy.
    Yeah, whatever.

    I guess you never carried a gun to your drug deals when you're buying a couple kilos to sell.

    Just kidding, of course, but having the gun always helps the negotiations turn in your favor.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, whatever.

    I guess you never carried a gun to your drug deals when you're buying a couple kilos to sell.

    Just kidding, of course, but having the gun always helps the negotiations turn in your favor.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Establishing military and commercial outposts on the moon ARE the next logical steps.

    No point in developing "cheaper launchers" when there's nothing to launch and no place to launch it to.
    There's no military or commercial viability on the moon. First off, getting **** there is going to be damned expensive. Secondly, supporting life there is going to be damned expensive. There's not enough water, we don't have the tech to set up all the **** we'd need yet, you'd continually have to be receiving shipment from Earth. The moon is a barren dust ball. It's not like you can run up there, throw down a tent, and be all good to go. There's no protective atmosphere, you have to deal with extreme changes in temperature, there's no fertile soil or large source of water so it's impossible to independently support life there. And all for what? Minimal gains at best, when all the money, scientists, and research which would have to go into this could be better utilized elsewhere.

    I really don't think some of you think this through.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    F*** the moon. I'm Rick James bitch!
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, whatever.

    I guess you never carried a gun to your drug deals when you're buying a couple kilos to sell.

    Just kidding, of course, but having the gun always helps the negotiations turn in your favor.
    what happens when everyone has guns?
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So what's the purpose of getting to the moon then?
    1) Claim discovered H2O assets for future use in space exploration and lunar colonization. Beleive it or not, one of the thnings the expanded westward settlement from the coastal colonies was the discovery of salt in Syracuse.

    2) Claiming military high ground. Study history, do not discount the value of having a nearly unassailable offensive base to deter potential enemy action.

    3) Aluminum, titanium, silicon, oxygen, all to be found in lunar regolith, all essential for space construction. None of it would have to be lifted from the Earth, once the industries are established.

    4) Vacuum, a vital manufacturing asset that we can't get enough of on earth.

    5) Solar Damn Power.

    6) 1/6 Gee.

    7) Farside Radio silence. Forever out of sight and sound of earth, an astronomical research treasure.

    8) Inspiration for our youth and the end of relying solely on "spaceship Earth".

    9) New experiences for art and the expression of the human soul.

    10) He3 for fusion research and power.

    11) Simple lebensraum.



    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because I'm pretty sure it's not just to get there. I'm pretty sure people are advocating it as launch of a serious space program wherein we have **** on the moon, maybe even military bases. So you're telling me we already have all that technology? Are you sure you're not living in a fantasy world?
    We need to re-build launch technology we foolishly threw away. We need minor research into the biology and stability of closed habitats. But for the most part, we could be on the moon today, if we'd made that our goal in the seventies, and without any drastic technological breakthroughs, using what you see around you today.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 01-27-10 at 04:14 PM.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    lol i feel there's bigger fish to fry than settling the moon
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    what happens when everyone has guns?
    Do you recall the major catastrophic shooting war between the US and the USSR?

    That's funny, it never happened.

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