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Thread: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Let China go to to the moon. They've got all our money, anyway. They can pay us for our technology. That would be one way to get some our money back.
    And when China puts it's missile launchers on the moon, aimed at the US, what then?

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And this is nothing but your opinion. The facts and benefits we have gained from NASA and it's relatively tiny budget fer outweigh the minuses.
    What benifits? Velcro?

    NASA is an economic stimulus program. The government creates jobs by setting a goal and then throwing money at it.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    And when China puts it's missile launchers on the moon, aimed at the US, what then?
    Why would they do that? We owe them way too much money to destroy us. They need us alive and healthy.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    There's always economic benefit to claiming real estate before the other naions get it.
    There is? Pretty much every colony during the Age of Exploration was a financial drain on its mother country...and they didn't have to worry about terraforming the Americas.

    Furthermore, the moon "real estate" is worthless, and will be for the foreseeable future.

    Oh, and you can't truly claim real estate just by sticking a flag in the ground or building a base. If we build a base somewhere on the moon, that leaves plenty of open space on the moon and some other country could easily build elsewhere if they had the desire and ability to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar
    And....the moon is essential to the future exploration and hence exploitation of the solar system. Otherwise, all assets have to be hauled up from Earth, expensively.
    And so that necessitates us going there right now (as opposed to a few decades hence)...why?
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Our space program should be concentrating on the basics first. Our first priority should be developing a cheaper means of launching payloads into orbit. No matter what kind of space program you want in the future, it would be massively enhanced by having lower costs to get into space in the first place. The second thing should be working on automated control systems and robots in the vein of the mars rover. Not only has all our best scientific data come from robots, but such research also has immensely practical use here on earth as well. Finally, we should start looking about for some sort of commercial application in space. Now granted its too expensive for the near future, but we could still lay the groundwork like surveying for useful materials or examining zero-gee construction techniques.

    Establishing military and commercial outposts on the moon ARE the next logical steps.

    No point in developing "cheaper launchers" when there's nothing to launch and no place to launch it to.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    I think going to the moon, at this point in history, is a waste of resources. I'd rather see a government program, on a grand scale like this, researching and developing future sources of fuel for transportation and electricity. The human race also needs to stop growing in numbers, this is another imperative.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There is? Pretty much every colony during the Age of Exploration was a financial drain on its mother country.
    Natually. Of course.

    I wonder why Athens sent out colonies around the Mediterranean? And colonies were so damn bad the British never established any, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Furthermore, the moon "real estate" is worthless, and will be for the foreseeable future.
    The future is here, now.

    LCROSS proved the existence of H20 on the moon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh, and you can't truly claim real estate just by sticking a flag in the ground or building a base.
    Really?

    I guess the proper way of claiming real estate is to buy it from the natives, right?

    Could the US claim the whole damn moon? Nope, not practical. I hope I didn't come across as saying the US should try that. That would make an awful mess. It's not impossible, just very difficult and it would lead to war.

    Should the US claim the bits and pieces it can grab and hold onto, like areas with H20 and commercially viable ore deposits? You bet your ass it should.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And so that necessitates us going there right now (as opposed to a few decades hence)...why?
    Why?

    Because...we're not going there now, we're going there "a few decades hence"....but if that idiot Messiah stops the program, that few decades lost will make the difference and someone else (China) will grab the best real estate for themselves.

    Know one of the reasons Germany felt inferior before WWI? France and Britain and the Dutch and Spain were centuries ahead of them and colonized all the good spots. By the late 19th Century, Germany made some forays into Africa, and that was about it. Germany never became a significant world power, and never will.

    The US is not a major world power, the US is THE major world power, and it won't stay there unless it's plans ahead and ACTS on those plans.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, should the US tolerate this idiot's lead and abandon the most important military and economic asset to the Chinese or anyone?
    In response to your opening remarks. First of all, Obama is not an idiot. Hurling that insult at someone with whom you disagree demeans your argument.

    Secondly, we have already been to the moon. From the scientific effort required to accomplish that amazing feat came many breakthroughs, esp in computer technology. It was the process of reaching the goal of setting foot on the moon that brought new discoveries. The moon itself is a lifeless hunk of rock which requires a great deal of energy to reach, with supporting life at a most basic level being very difficult and expensive.

    What is valuable to the human race is carbon-based life, not lifeless celestial bodies with no breathable atmosphere.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    All we have to do to get the US back to the moon is to give Al'Quaeda a surplus rocket. At that point our sense of nationalism will do the rest.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Where do you come off with this fantasy crap? We already have the technology, we are in th process of perfecting it. The loss of this program will leave us years behind in technology.

    You can call it fantasy all you like, that does not make it so.
    So what's the purpose of getting to the moon then? Because I'm pretty sure it's not just to get there. I'm pretty sure people are advocating it as launch of a serious space program wherein we have **** on the moon, maybe even military bases. So you're telling me we already have all that technology? Are you sure you're not living in a fantasy world?
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