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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That would be like telling Chris Columbus to wait until Spain fixed all of its problems before setting sail.
    Columbus was centuries behind the Norse/Vikings, who were behind the Chinese.
    Columbus and the Europeans only bought woe upon America.

    Our skills and technologies should be applied to our problems, not the moon...

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    I guess it can be compared to christopher columbus sailing and finding the new world but instead of landing with boots on the ground he just decides to turn around and leave with that.
    Still not comparable as you're still dealing with terrestrial concerns. While ships and men were fairly expensive, it wave completely possible to finance such an expedition by a singular country. That is not the case for space research. Apples and oranges.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And we always will. There has been no point in the history of this country where things were going peachy. We might as well, the sooner we do it, the sooner we will find a payoff.
    I'm all for progress. However, there are far greater things to research currently on earth that will have far greater and more immediate impact that space travel. I don't think you people quite understand the price tag which would come with this if we were to seriously pursue space travel. There's not a "payoff" to space travel at this point. And any potential "payoff" there may be is offset by the initialization costs and times and diverting of funds away from other research which is more immediately practical.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    When was the moon calimed the first time?

    Ok being serious. Is there an economic benefit to having a moon base?
    There's always economic benefit to claiming real estate before the other nations get it.

    And....the moon is essential to the future exploration and hence exploitation of the solar system. Otherwise, all assets have to be hauled up from Earth, expensively.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Tell you what. Let's first fix New Orleans and other problems we have terrestrially. Then we'll entertain notions of fantasy space travel.
    Where do you come off with this fantasy crap? We already have the technology, we are in th process of perfecting it. The loss of this program will leave us years behind in technology.

    You can call it fantasy all you like, that does not make it so.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Our space program should be concentrating on the basics first. Our first priority should be developing a cheaper means of launching payloads into orbit. No matter what kind of space program you want in the future, it would be massively enhanced by having lower costs to get into space in the first place. The second thing should be working on automated control systems and robots in the vein of the mars rover. Not only has all our best scientific data come from robots, but such research also has immensely practical use here on earth as well. Finally, we should start looking about for some sort of commercial application in space. Now granted its too expensive for the near future, but we could still lay the groundwork like surveying for useful materials or examining zero-gee construction techniques.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    WTF is so important about the moon? Other than the regulation of our tides? there's no reason to spend the money necessary to get there and there is zero military significance to the moon, and no one country can own the moon.
    Zero military significance to the moon?

    And the United States spends billions of dollars on it's ballistic submarine missile programs because...?

    Because SSBN's are hard to find, harder to hit.

    The moon is a damn hard place to hit. The military potential of the highest ground around can't be overstated.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm all for progress. However, there are far greater things to research currently on earth that will have far greater and more immediate impact that space travel. I don't think you people quite understand the price tag which would come with this if we were to seriously pursue space travel. There's not a "payoff" to space travel at this point. And any potential "payoff" there may be is offset by the initialization costs and times and diverting of funds away from other research which is more immediately practical.
    And this is nothing but your opinion. The facts and benefits we have gained from NASA and it's relatively tiny budget fer outweigh the minuses.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Let China go to to the moon. They've got all our money, anyway. They can pay us for our technology. That would be one way to get some our money back.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Still not comparable as you're still dealing with terrestrial concerns. While ships and men were fairly expensive, it wave completely possible to finance such an expedition by a singular country. That is not the case for space research. Apples and oranges.
    OF COURSE we can finance lunar exploration by ourselves.

    First off, lunar exploration/exploitation is an application of national defense and an extension of the transportation concepts such as "post roads" and hence eminently constitutional. I would not be advocating it otherwise.

    Secondly, if the Federal government ceased it's unconstitutional spending on education the nation would have hundreds of billions of dollars to spare on national priorities such as lunar exploitation.

    And, it's not going to cost as much as the detractors claim. Space costs too much today because lawyers in Congress design space programs. That's usually not a good plan.

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