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Thread: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    And when you cook with cast iron, a little bit of iron leaches into your food, adding needed iron to your diet.

    With Teflon, I hate to think of what is leaching into my food. I avoid it like the plague.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Okay, I'm going to do a little analysis here.

    Obama aims to ax moon mission
    NASA's plans to return astronauts to the moon are dead. So are the rockets being designed to take them there — that is, if President Barack Obama gets his way.

    When the White House releases his budget proposal Monday, there will be no money for the Constellation program that was supposed to return humans to the moon by 2020. The troubled and expensive Ares I rocket that was to replace the space shuttle to ferry humans to space will be gone, along with money for its bigger brother, the Ares V cargo rocket that was to launch the fuel and supplies needed to take humans back to the moon.

    There will be no lunar landers, no moon bases, no Constellation program at all.

    In their place, according to White House insiders, agency officials, industry executives and congressional sources familiar with Obama's long-awaited plans for the space agency, NASA will look at developing a new "heavy-lift" rocket that one day will take humans and robots to explore beyond low Earth orbit. But that day will be years — possibly even a decade or more — away.

    In the meantime, the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change — and on a new technology research and development program that will one day make human exploration of asteroids and the inner solar system possible.

    There will also be funding for private companies to develop capsules and rockets that can be used as space taxis to take astronauts on fixed-price contracts to and from the International Space Station — a major change in the way the agency has done business for the past 50 years.

    The White House budget request, which is certain to meet fierce resistance in Congress, scraps the Bush administration's Vision for Space Exploration and signals a major reorientation of NASA, especially in the area of human spaceflight.
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    I am fully in favor of space exploration and the exploitation of resources found there. I firmly believe that the 22nd century will belong to those nations who expand into space in the 21st century.

    Helium 3, Metahelium-64, megatons of iron in near-earth asteroids; the possibility of finding a "variagate" asteroid of solid gold or solid thorium... the possibilities are endless.

    And one day colonizing moons, planets, space habitats, zero-gee industrial stations... there are incredible possibilities.

    Yet right now we still don't have a good, cheap way into orbit. I still remember very well when the first shuttle rolled out... I was disappointed. There had been a great deal of talk about the scramjet/spaceplane concept, or single-stage-to-orbit possibilities, and the Shuttle, awesome though it is in its own way, was not really as much of a jump forward as I'd hoped for.

    Basically the scramjet got shelved in favor of a shorter-term, cheaper-to-develop alternative.

    We need more basic research into propulsion systems, and cheaper ways into orbit. The development of carbon nanotubes opens the door to the possibility of a skyhook system; mass-driver launchers could be another way; even the scramjet/spaceplane concept would be a dramatic improvement over what we've got. There was an intresting idea, the Delta Clipper, for a SSTO that apparently vanished in the 80's.

    We've got to find a better (cheaper!) way to get into orbit if we're really going to get anywhere.

    We need better propulsion systems. It's going to take fusion rockets or perhaps Metahelium-64 rockets to really put the solar system within reach of practical manned missions.

    All of this needs research and development.

    The idea of going back to the moon in 2020 was exciting... then I saw that they were basically planning to re-engineer the same methods that were used for the Apollo and Saturn V moon missions. That was less exciting. It seemed like a step backward, instead of forward.

    Private enterprise, like the X-prize and Virgin Galactic, show what innovative enterpreneurs can do. NASA comes across as overly bureaucratic, and hamstrung by Congressional "oversight" by Congresscritters who probably can't spell "asteroid" and don't know what Helium-3 is. Maybe private space exploration will really be the key to the future.

    If we spend the next 20 to 30 years developing a better way into orbit, and a better propulsion system for getting around once we're out there, we will ultimately be a lot better off... even if I might not be around to see it come to fruition, I'd feel better knowing it was being done right.

    I don't necessarily trust this political move as being anything other than political, or necessarily the RIGHT kind of re-direction of efforts I think we need... but IF they actually do some of the things I bolded in the quoted text, we might get somewhere.

    If we had the budget I'd love to see us doing the kind of research I'm talking about while CONTINUING to explore space with what we've got on hand...but if I have to chose one or the other, I want the research and development done on better surface-to-orbit and propulsion technologies. I might not live to see it, but my son or my hypothetical grandchildren might get to see it from the surface of the moon.

    One way or another, though, we'll either expand into space in the 21st Century, or we'll be relegated to the dust bin of history like the Spanish Armada and the Conquistadores.

    My two bits.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    In light of the sentiment you often endorse, arguing for government intervention... on the moon... is quite stunning.
    Not once you learn to understand the Constitution and demand it be applied properly by the government.

    I'm being consistent, fully aware of the APPEARANCE of conflict in what I say, even though I'm also certain the finer nuances can escape the shallow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    In an attempt to stay consistent,
    I am consistent.

    Always.

    I'm even regular, if you need such information.

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    Something tells me if the federal government were to subsidize such an endeavor, you would be one of the first to complain about "intrusion/intervention".
    You should shoot something that tells you lies like that.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My two bits.

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    Appreciated, but what happens is that certain groups, who want to see any and all technology investment halted in favor of wasteful useless never successful social programs, wind up demanding that Christopher Columbus not be allowed to sail the ocean blue until the Titanic is built.

    And then after the Titanic sinks, they say we need to halt space exploration becuase they've made it too expensive.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    I love it. We can't sustain managing this downturn in our economy because we are already an overextended empire. And, some people want us to spend spend spend to get to the moon again so that we can spend spend spend to try and increase and sustain an even bigger empire. Cute.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
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    While you're at it, can you correct the typo in the title? I think he meant "ReClaim", right?

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I love it. We can't sustain managing this downturn in our economy because we are already an overextended empire. And, some people want us to spend spend spend to get to the moon again so that we can spend spend spend to try and increase and sustain an even bigger empire. Cute.
    Some of whom advocate for 'small government'. I find that a contradiction.

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