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Thread: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    How do you feel about your Teflon coated frying pan?
    It's handy for frying stuff. Teflon was invented in the 1930's, what's your point?
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well presumably people are going to use that water somehow. You said that it's useful because it's already up there, which naturally implies that there will be people up there as well.
    Yeah, whatever. Do I really have to do the regression where i point out that it's only useful IF we send people up there, and otherwise play your deliberately obfuscating game?

    The fact that there's water there GREATLY increases the ease of exploiting the moon, and makes our entry into the greater solar system that much simpler.

    That there is huge mineral and energy wealth to be found and used in the solar system can't be denied, nor can the fact that establishing a permanent human presence on the moon is essential to gaining access to these other resources.

    Unless you're willing to accept the concept of a "Spaceship Earth" that never stops in port for replenishment with it's concomitant vision of a restricted humanity and limited future, exploitation of the solar system is essential for a wealthy human future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A) If China won't/can't even fight us for Taiwan, they certainly won't/can't fight us because we established a lunar base 2,000 miles away from their lunar base.
    China has not yet made it's move against Taiwan, hence it's not possible to say that China won't fight the US if we defend that republic against an Chinese imperialist attack.

    China has, on more than one occasion, threatened to use nuclear weapons against the United States over Taiwan, and China is repeatedly testing American resolve by threatening naval ships and US aircraft in international waters and skies.

    To say that China "won't/can't" fight the US is foolish in the extreme and it's not how sane nations react to potential threats.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    B) This is the height of absurdity. You're speculating about whether or not China will be able to monopolize the moon, when there is not even a single person on the moon today. I suggest you turn off Star Wars and focus on the real world. There are plenty of amazing technological developments that will be economically feasible in the FORESEEABLE future that have the potential to change society.
    I suggest you stop watching The Clone War, Cartoon Network Edition, and try to pay attention to the real challenges in the modern world presented by very real engineering issues.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it's pretty much the same as extracting the water from the soil then eh?
    No, if you'd bother to keep up with recent developments.

    Plenty of water on the moon on permanently shaded craters around the poles.

    How much is yet to be determined, but the LCROSS test kicked up about 25 gallons in the impact plume.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    I say just let Richard Branson do it. He will probably end up getting it done at 1/100th the cost.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I say just let Richard Branson do it. He will probably end up getting it done at 1/100th the cost.
    Certainly a major overhaul and rejection of the bureaucratic nonsense attitude at NASA has to be performed so the engineers and not the politicians can resume control of what are, after all, engineering issues, not political issues.

    But I make the arument that this is a national defense issue, not merely commercial, and as such the US government has a signficant role to play, and a Constitutional duty to fill that role.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Teflon doesn't hold a candle to a good, well-seasoned cast iron pan.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Certainly a major overhaul and rejection of the bureaucratic nonsense attitude at NASA has to be performed so the engineers and not the politicians can resume control of what are, after all, engineering issues, not political issues.

    But I make the arument that this is a national defense issue, not merely commercial, and as such the US government has a signficant role to play, and a Constitutional duty to fill that role.
    In light of the sentiment you often endorse, arguing for government intervention... on the moon... is quite stunning. In an attempt to stay consistent, how about we wait until the private sector has the means in which to fully fund the notions expressed in previous posts? You know, let the free market work.

    Something tells me if the federal government were to subsidize such an endeavor, you would be one of the first to complain about "intrusion/intervention".
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    No, the bailout is an example of corporate welfare and so is the fact that the state government of Illinois gives wal-mart 100million dollars to help relieve them of stress, when in reality a corporation like wal-mart does not need that money.
    NASA is taxpayers paying for other people jobs.

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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Teflon doesn't hold a candle to a good, well-seasoned cast iron pan.
    Oh man yummy:


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    Re: Should the US ReCalim the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's handy for frying stuff. Teflon was invented in the 1930's, what's your point?
    Give me an old cast iron fry pan anyday. Oops. I guess someone just said that.

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