View Poll Results: What is right in this McDonald's cheese firing case?

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  • Companies should have a right to fire anyone, with or without cause

    10 19.23%
  • The company was with its rights since the employee violated the rules

    7 13.46%
  • They should have given a warning, but it's none of the court's business

    14 26.92%
  • The court was right to bring justice to the worker

    4 7.69%
  • Seriously, McDonalds sounds like a friggin' stingy-assed company

    13 25.00%
  • Aren't restaurants required to give a duty meal? Good grief!

    4 7.69%
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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's pretty weird. I can't imagine that flying in any other industry...
    What state is that?
    I don't like to give my locale in an effort remain more anonymous. When I owned a restaurant we provided one duty meal per shift as a matter of course. I was under the impression it was a state law, but I might be mistaken. We were a small cafe and would have done this no matter the law.

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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Don't know the laws over there.

    if it was over here I'd call it a bit wrong, but not illegal, nor something the courts should have any say in
    The government is sup[posed to enforce private contracts....apparently the employer violated the contract. They have to follow their own disciplinary policies. Apparently they didn't.

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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Up to my retirement last year I was a Directer of three companies in the UK, my rate of sacking did not diminish over the 30 yrs, you are talking bollocks.

    You must have been dealing with the dickhead end of the management chain

    I always sacked the manager who employed the idiot first.
    I'm not talking GB & I, where my experience is limited. I can tell you central Europe is a nightmare for owners.

    Tell me, before The Great Maggie Thatcher took the reigns, I am sure the labor laws were stronger in favor of the employee. Unions ran amok.

    The governments in central Europe treat companies as if they were social programs and are wards of the state.

    Last year Nokia wanted to close a factory in north Germany; a couple thousand jobs were at stake; the government elevated it to a point of fury, whipping up a national frenzy against the company. The mentality and laws are strongly in favor of the employee, the employee knows it and it is exploited.

    In fact, there was an article somewhere, perhaps I can find it, about the harsh measure employers use to try to get rid of dead weight employees. Once they are in past their "probezeit", it's like they're cemented into the company.

    No bollocks lad.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It is something the courts should not have involved themselves in. If a company wants to fire people over little **** then that is their business.Yeah its excessive but the waitress does not own the McDonalds and neither does the courts.
    Not in central Europe. There the employee is King. The employer be damned. That coupled with high employee costs is why companies leave.

    When the French instituted their 35-hour work week, working beyond it came with all manner of fun and games.
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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Thatcher brought in laws, like making secondary picketing illegal ect, that had nothing to do with employment laws.

    It is very simple to keep problems out of the work place,(look at companies like Unilever) then and now.
    It starts with quality management being able to manage, that starts with the the interview, the references, the employment contract ect, and the adherence of management to those contracts, if an employee breaks them the proscribed steps to dismissal are there and have always been there. the current two step principle to bring a swifter resolution was brought in by the current government.

    Re Nokia, do you know what tax payers monies in the form of grants ect were given to Nokia? do you know what agreements Nokia made to obtain these grants?

    The ACAS site will give free quality information to both employee and employer, google it and educate yourself.

    Carnival cruise lines employs a vast number of foreign workers, no min wage applies, the average wage for wait staff is $30+tips for a 28 working day month, that day consists of 16-18 hrs.

    The employee has to sign a contract that if a dispute occurs they must take it to a specified court of arbitration, the employee must pay his own costs.

    The nearest court to Miami is London UK.I bet you think that is quality contract and quality employer.

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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    Thatcher brought in laws, like making secondary picketing illegal ect, that had nothing to do with employment laws.
    Interesting. She smashed the unions. I recall reading about one of his UK Buffett's purchases and how they cut the staff in half, and multiplied profits; due to Thatcher's deregulation.

    It is very simple to keep problems out of the work place,(look at companies like Unilever) then and now.
    Simple in words.
    It starts with quality management being able to manage, that starts with the the interview,
    Once someone passes the probation period they are in like concrete. Another Buffettism, and it applies to company owners and individuals; they can sing you a sweet song before you buy, and change the tune afterwards. And they do, and they do.

    the references, the employment contract ect, and the adherence of management to those contracts, if an employee breaks them the proscribed steps to dismissal are there and have always been there.
    Well... in some Euro countries it isn't so easy. In some you have to build up evidence, as in the engineer losing a fortune's case; they required three strikes against the fool.

    Re Nokia, do you know what tax payers monies in the form of grants ect were given to Nokia? do you know what agreements Nokia made to obtain these grants?
    Nokia was given some type of tax break to settle there, but they lived up to their end of the deal for the contracted time. Then they chose to leave. A great message to overbearing governments.
    The ACAS site will give free quality information to both employee and employer, google it and educate yourself.
    ROTFLOL...

    Carnival cruise lines employs a vast number of foreign workers, no min wage applies, the average wage for wait staff is $30+tips for a 28 working day month, that day consists of 16-18 hrs.
    Very nice... perhaps you should contemplate joining them.

    The employee has to sign a contract that if a dispute occurs they must take it to a specified court of arbitration, the employee must pay his own costs.

    The nearest court to Miami is London UK.I bet you think that is quality contract and quality employer.
    You know the game going in. Nobody is forcing anyone to work there.

    Maslow is a good read.
    Yes he is. So is John Wooden (has his own pyramid) and Jim Collins.
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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    This may have been a little harsh but European employment laws are off the charts stupid. They are aggressively gamed by employees who know the law favors them big time.

    In Europe, the employer is running a social program, not a business. It forces them to be ruthless when opportunity knocks.

    I know of a fool at an engineering company that lost his employer a million on a project that should have turned an easy profit, and they couldn't fire him. This being one of a mountain of examples I've accumulated in 25-years dealing with the Euros; the examples of idiocy are truly endless.

    What we don't know is the history of this situation. She could have been a lazy employee or one that had cocked up the works frequently and they saw this as a way to get rid of her.

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    Employment laws should favor employees. This keeps lying, dishonest, scummy, greedy, corporate ****holes in check. When they step out of line, the get a foot up their ass.

    I wish American employment laws were this harsh. (Just the thought of this causes the right wing's asshole to pucker)

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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Employment laws should favor employees. This keeps lying, dishonest, scummy, greedy, corporate ****holes in check. When they step out of line, the get a foot up their ass.

    I wish American employment laws were this harsh. (Just the thought of this causes the right wing's asshole to pucker)
    I understand the sentiment mate, but the law should favor neither.

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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

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    Interesting. She smashed the unions. I recall reading about one of his UK Buffett's purchases and how they cut the staff in half, and multiplied profits; due to Thatcher's deregulation.

    Simple in words.
    Once someone passes the probation period they are in like concrete. Another Buffettism, and it applies to company owners and individuals; they can sing you a sweet song before you buy, and change the tune afterwards. And they do, and they do.

    Well... in some Euro countries it isn't so easy. In some you have to build up evidence, as in the engineer losing a fortune's case; they required three strikes against the fool.

    Nokia was given some type of tax break to settle there, but they lived up to their end of the deal for the contracted time. Then they chose to leave. A great message to overbearing governments.
    ROTFLOL...

    Very nice... perhaps you should contemplate joining them.

    You know the game going in. Nobody is forcing anyone to work there.

    Yes he is. So is John Wooden (has his own pyramid) and Jim Collins.
    Many today, including Micheal Edwards, one of her industrial right hand men now regard the use of our Scottish oil revenues to support the exchequer whilst she destroyed our manufacturing industry a mistake.

    Many reguard her deregulation, as a mistake that has now caught up with us.

    I could never understand why she used subsidized coal from Communist countries to break our coal mining communities.

    You can dismiss for up to one year in the Uk without the employee having any recourse.

    I take it you mean Warren Buffet.Which company was it?

    Acquisitions, my brother was a made board director of a 1 billion turnover, public company that was created for acquisitions.

    Within the UK law there are cases for instant dismissal, I reiterate the two step process was brought in by this government to speed matters up.

    Nokia, be more specific, your knowledge of that deal interests me, I thought Nokia received 17 million Euro from the local state goverment and 88million Euro from the national goevernment? correct me if I am wrong.

    Carnival, they are now recruiting in third world countries like Bangladesh ect, of course those people know what they are doing
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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by B L Zeebub View Post
    I understand the sentiment mate, but the law should favor neither.
    Yeah ... I suppose so.

    I just thought it would be nice to see the shoe on the other foot for a change.

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    Re: Was McDonalds 'wrong' to fire worker over cheese slice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Five months pay for a wrongful firing and for a minimum wage job? Now that is crazy. And since when does McDonald's have contracted workers what kind of circus is Ronald running over there.
    This made me snort. Thanks, I needed that!
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