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Which Party Governs Best?

Ideology aside, do you think that:


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It's not our political system that is inherently corrupt. It is politics which are inherently corrupt.

To some degree, you're right. However, our political system in particular attracts the power-hungry and self-absorbed, not those who wish to serve the public good but who want to make money, power and influence for themselves.

Career politicians should never exist, I think that's really what makes for bad leadership.
 
Put aside ideological issues for a moment, and consider: which party is simply the best at governance when it is in charge? Specifically, which one is more corrupt, and which more competent?

Both parties are corrupt. As long as they maintain the two party monopoly they do not have a reason to change.
 
Both parties are corrupt. As long as they maintain the two party monopoly they do not have a reason to change.

If doesn't matter if it was 10 parties or 100 parties, you'd just have 10 or 100 corrupt parties. It's the system, not the parties, that is the problem.
 
I voted equal corruption and Other. The other is because I believe the Incompetence is about equal, regardless of party.

Sure it basically means the same thing as being equally competent, but saying they are equally competent implies that they have some degree of competence, which I don't believe they have.
 
Republicans are better than Democrats for the most part, but they are far from perfect.

Of any given party, the LIBERTARIANS and people with a libertarian bent (like Ron Paul) by far have the best records. Ron Paul's record is darn near perfect. That's why I admire him so much. Even most libertarians fall short of Ron.

It is depressing that nearly all of our country's leaders lack the very basics of economics and keep passing ridiculous laws that strangle our economy.
 
Democrats look out for The People

Republicans look out for The Rich
 
Democrats look out for The People

Republicans look out for The Rich

In truth, both look out for themselves, and the people giving them campaign money.

This time around, the Democrats are doing what they think is best, with a lot of arrogance. The Republicans are trying to block everything to the point of hyperpartisanship. Basically, both parties suck.
 
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In truth, both look out for themselves, and the people giving them campaign money.

This time around, the Democrats are doing what they think is best, with a lot of arrogance. The Republicans are trying to block everything to the point of hyperpartisanship. Basically, both parties suck.

They both suck but who supports the poor people more? Who supports much needed social programs and equal right issues best? That would be the Democrats.
 
They both suck but who supports the poor people more? Who supports much needed social programs and equal right issues best? That would be the Democrats.

There is a difference between supporting, and providing.
 
Of any given party, the LIBERTARIANS and people with a libertarian bent (like Ron Paul) by far have the best records. Ron Paul's record is darn near perfect. That's why I admire him so much. Even most libertarians fall short of Ron.

It is depressing that nearly all of our country's leaders lack the very basics of economics and keep passing ridiculous laws that strangle our economy.

The problem is that the libertarian philosophy literally *is* merely the basics of economics. It's the philosophy for people who took Econ 101 when they were freshmen, thought they understood the market system perfectly because they knew how to draw a demand curve, and never took another econ class after that. :roll:

The real world is a bit more complex than that, and can't be so easily boiled down into rules like "Government intervention = Bad." I have a very solid economics background, and let me tell you that a lot of those laws you consider ridiculous actually help the economy, whereas Ronpaultopia would cause a lot of problems.
 
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Both the parties are very competent at being corrupt.
 
They both suck but who supports the poor people more? Who supports much needed social programs and equal right issues best? That would be the Democrats.

I already said to not include ideology in this.
 
I already said to not include ideology in this.

Sorry! Thanks for the spanking though:2razz:

ETA: the ones that look out for all peoples and care are probably the ones who do govern best considering that is the major part of their job?
 
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If I had to go by the past 15-20 years, I couldn't say that either party, collectively speaking, knows their ass from a hole in the ground, and that both are riddled with self-serving corruption.

On the whole, I favor gridlock.

Dems... 9 of 10 ain't bad; next year we hope you'll achieve a perfect score.

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington's "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2009 | Judicial Watch

1. Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT): This marks two years in a row for Senator Dodd, who made the 2008 "Ten Most Corrupt" list for his corrupt relationship with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and for accepting preferential treatment and loan terms from Countrywide Financial, a scandal which...

2. Senator John Ensign (R-NV): A number of scandals popped up in 2009 involving public officials who conducted illicit affairs, and then attempted to cover them up with hush payments and favors, an obvious abuse of power...

3. Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA): Judicial Watch is investigating a $12 million TARP cash injection provided to the Boston-based OneUnited Bank at the urging of Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank...

4. Secretary of Treasury Timothy Geithner: In 2009, Obama Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner admitted that he failed to pay $34,000 in Social Security and Medicare taxes from 2001-2004 on his lucrative salary at the International Monetary Fund (IMF)...

5. Attorney General Eric Holder: Tim Geithner can be sure he won't be hounded about his tax-dodging by his colleague Eric Holder, US Attorney General. Judicial Watch strongly opposed Holder because of his terrible ethics record, which includes...

6. Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-IL)/ Senator Roland Burris (D-IL): One of the most serious scandals of 2009 involved a scheme by former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich to sell President Obama's then-vacant Senate seat...

7. President Barack Obama: During his presidential campaign, President Obama promised to run an ethical and transparent administration...

8. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA): At the heart of the corruption problem in Washington is a sense of entitlement...

9. Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) and the rest of the PMA Seven: Rep. John Murtha made headlines in 2009 for all the wrong reasons. The Pennsylvania congressman is under federal investigation for his corrupt relationship with the now-defunct defense lobbyist PMA Group...

10. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY): Rangel, the man in charge of writing tax policy for the entire country, has yet to adequately explain how he could possibly "forget" to pay taxes on $75,000 in rental income...

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Wow, that's some truly terrible reporting. You can tell by the way they phrased some of those that it's an incredibly biased source of information.

I can understand some of them like Dodd and Murtha. But Obama made the list for "promising to run an ethical and transparent administration," and Pelosi made the list for a vague "sense of entitlement"? Give me a freaking break. That's just partisan hackery, not an honest look at corruption.
 
Wow, that's some truly terrible reporting. You can tell by the way they phrased some of those that it's an incredibly biased source of information.

I can understand some of them like Dodd and Murtha. But Obama made the list for "promising to run an ethical and transparent administration," and Pelosi made the list for a vague "sense of entitlement"? Give me a freaking break. That's just partisan hackery, not an honest look at corruption.

LOL... Pelosi just ran up a couple million bucks worth of travel on our jets... treating them like cheap taxi's.
She's one hungry and thirsty wench.
Taxpayers pay $101,000 for Pelosi's in-flight 'food, booze'
Judicial Watch said the newly obtained 2,000 pages of documentation show Pelosi's military travel cost the U.S. Air Force $2,100,744.59 over two years – including $101,429.14 for in-flight expenses, including food and alcohol.

As for Obama:
Honest Abe he's not... tell me... is wholesale bait and switch on the electorate not a form of corruption? Maybe he didn't screw the help like Edwards and Clinton like to do, but he's pulled out his wobbly and prodded the nation pretty good. Then he has the gall to lecture us and tell us we should get ready for more.

The electorate has recently shown they don't like his advances, but he keeps on prodding like a drunken fool, treating us like we're all assholes at his disposal.

8. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL): A “Dishonorable Mention” last year, Senator Obama moves onto the “ten most wanted” list in 2007. In 2006, it was discovered that Obama was involved in a suspicious real estate deal with an indicted political fundraiser, Antoin “Tony” Rezko.

In 2007, more reports surfaced of deeper and suspicious business and political connections It was reported that just two months after he joined the Senate, Obama purchased $50,000 worth of stock in speculative companies whose major investors were his biggest campaign contributors. One of the companies was a biotech concern that benefited from legislation Obama pushed just two weeks after the senator purchased $5,000 of the company’s shares.

Obama was also nabbed conducting campaign business in his Senate office, a violation of federal law.
Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington?s ?Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians? for 2007 | Judicial Watch

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Put aside ideological issues for a moment, and consider: which party is simply the best at governance when it is in charge? Specifically, which one is more corrupt, and which more competent?

Personally, I'll take the government that governs the least.
 
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