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    Rebuliding Haiti

    The rebuilding efforts of Haiti will be massive and will take "years".

    Quote Originally Posted by MSNBC
    After rescue efforts, Haiti needs a continuing international presence, many said.

    Vivens, who moved to the U.S. in 1994 to study business and economics, said he hoped the Haitian government would accept guidance from world leaders to help rebuild its infrastructure.

    "We can help the Haitian community begin to prosper," Vivens said.
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    Yes we could, but can we really? Let's play this out. We're in a deep recession. Our government has now been spending money faster than ever and has committed 4 Trillion dollars in various forms in the past year. The US is still in two active Middle East occupations. We're printing money without much backing and we're in hock to China up to our ears and it's getting worse not better.

    While International attention to Haiti right now is key and the devesationin Haiti is only now starting to be realized, how can the United States in our current economic condition pledge money we do not have to rebuild? We're not going to rebuild their dirt floor hovels with rusted tin roofs either. Not only that, an entire infrastructure of business has to be rebuilt; telecommunications, networks, roads, electricity, water systems, I mean the whole thing has to be done from the ground up.

    My view here is we American's can't afford it, and while we'd like to just run up our debt to rebuild Haiti over the next 4-5 years and pledge hundreds of millions of dollars maybe billions of dollars (these people have to eat, have clean water, get medical care, get an education while the rebuilding is going on), I think it should be up to the American people, directly, to pledge money for Haiti. Not the government putting our country in deeper debt, but individuals who have the means to help can. How? One way is the IRS tax forms we get each and every year, a direct withdraw of money from an account of any amount of dollars can be submitted. That money goes directly to a management fund which spends the money for Haiti. Those who do not have the means or wish not to or already have donated, can opt out. Our government shouldn't spend the money, but we the people should if we can. And those American people will need to pledge often and for years to come.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    If Haitians knew how much people here were fretting about a deficit and 10% unemployment, I don't know whether they would laugh or cry.

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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    I voted "no".

    Of course, I don't think the US should add to the national debt at all, at any time, for any reason. Cut costs somewhere else, via budgeting or legislation of some sort, but don't go further into debt, except perhaps short-term (a few years).

    Edit: Which is not to say I think the US government should not under any circumstances assist Haiti.

    Just don’t increase the debt to do it.
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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    If Haitians knew how much people here were fretting about a deficit and 10% unemployment, I don't know whether they would laugh or cry.
    Add to that list pretty much every country in Central America and Africa.
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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Of course not.

    We owe them nothing. France is their mommy. Let France pay for their errors.

    So long as we're borrowing money to fund Constitutional programs while spending balls-to-the-wall on unconstitutional socialist programs, we don't have money to waste on Haiti.

    Here's an idea:

    Everyone that votes yes sends all their paycheck after taxes to Haiti, and we'll see how much good all that money does, without wasting a single taxpayer dime.

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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The rebuilding efforts of Haiti will be massive and will take "years".


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    Yes we could, but can we really? Let's play this out. We're in a deep recession. Our government has now been spending money faster than ever and has committed 4 Trillion dollars in various forms in the past year. The US is still in two active Middle East occupations. We're printing money without much backing and we're in hock to China up to our ears and it's getting worse not better.

    While International attention to Haiti right now is key and the devesationin Haiti is only now starting to be realized, how can the United States in our current economic condition pledge money we do not have to rebuild? We're not going to rebuild their dirt floor hovels with rusted tin roofs either. Not only that, an entire infrastructure of business has to be rebuilt; telecommunications, networks, roads, electricity, water systems, I mean the whole thing has to be done from the ground up.

    My view here is we American's can't afford it, and while we'd like to just run up our debt to rebuild Haiti over the next 4-5 years and pledge hundreds of millions of dollars maybe billions of dollars (these people have to eat, have clean water, get medical care, get an education while the rebuilding is going on), I think it should be up to the American people, directly, to pledge money for Haiti. Not the government putting our country in deeper debt, but individuals who have the means to help can. How? One way is the IRS tax forms we get each and every year, a direct withdraw of money from an account of any amount of dollars can be submitted. That money goes directly to a management fund which spends the money for Haiti. Those who do not have the means or wish not to or already have donated, can opt out. Our government shouldn't spend the money, but we the people should if we can. And those American people will need to pledge often and for years to come.
    I suppose we could look at it like this: The American government is going to waste our money as often as it can. At least in Haiti it may help some people.

    Now a better answer: No. We should not be in the business of rebuilding Haiti. We should contribute as long as the rest of the world continues to contribute a somewhat equal share to helping Haiti. But that's it. At some point, and soon, we have to stop spending money. I know that sounds callous, but our government has a Constitutional obligation to our citizens, not the citizens of Haiti.
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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Of course not.

    Here's an idea:

    Everyone that votes yes sends all their paycheck after taxes to Haiti, and we'll see how much good all that money does, without wasting a single taxpayer dime.
    While I agree with you on this point, I must point out that we can say the same thing about all government spending. For example: "Everyone that votes yes sends all their paycheck after taxes to Iraq and Afghanistan, and we'll see how much good all that money does, without wasting a single taxpayer dime."

    If we're going to have a "pay as it suits your ideology" government then I'm all for it.


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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    While I agree with you on this point, I must point out that we can say the same thing about all government spending. For example: "Everyone that votes yes sends all their paycheck after taxes to Iraq and Afghanistan, and we'll see how much good all that money does, without wasting a single taxpayer dime."

    If we're going to have a "pay as it suits your ideology" government then I'm all for it.


    No, everyone can't say that about "ALL" government spending. In fact, no one can say that about Constitutional government spending.....Oh....like the military financing of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Constitution ... it never stopped meaning freedom from tyranny.

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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, everyone can't say that about "ALL" government spending. In fact, no one can say that about Constitutional government spending.....Oh....like the military financing of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Constitution ... it never stopped meaning freedom from tyranny.
    Even Constitutional government spending comes with limits. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "unlimited" military spending.

    Everyone has spending that meets their political ideology. And that is exactly why we're Trillions of dollars in debt right now. You're saying exactly what ALL selective fiscal conservatives say. You're against government spending unless it's something you really really agree with. Then it's fine and dandy. That's exactly the reason liberals use to justify spending my tax money.
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    Re: Rebuliding Haiti

    Surely the United States owes Haiti massive reparations for the damages inflicted on that country by US imperialism. And full amnesty for anyone wishing to flee the country. For starters.
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